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From: Han Boetes <han@mijncomputer.nl>
Subject: Re: backup method
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:55:56 +0059	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050128035618.GI6167@boetes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1CuHyb-0006AB-00@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard Stallman wrote:
> Han Boetes wrote:
> > The default backup method is mv and then create a new file.
> > That's nice if you really want to keep the timestamp intact.
> > But if you use emacs with crontab -e you remove the tmpfile
> > and since the filedescriptor is still open your update to your
> > cron is lost -- without warning. It was pretty hard to
> > discover why this happened.
> >
> > So I would like to suggest to make backup by copying the
> > default.
>
> I won't change it in general, but we could probably arrange to
> use backup by copying for *this specific case*. Can you give a
> precise recipe for distinguishing this case--a regexp for these
> file names, perhaps?

My initial suggestion to do backup by copying is not the right
solution for the problem at all. I explained the right solution in
another message in this thread.

My prove is:

  unset TMP TMPDIR
  export VISUAL='emacs -q' # which does backup by moving by default
  crontab -e

And you can edit your crontab fine since emacs won't make a backup
of files in /tmp

  export TMP=~/.tmp; export TMPDIR=~/.tmp
  export VISUAL='emacs -q' # which does backup by moving by default
  crontab -e

And you can no longer edit crontabs since emacs will make a backup
of files in /tmp.

This problem is caused by the fact that not all programs honour
TMPDIR and still make tmpfiles in /tmp. Or that emacs does not
anticipate this.

I described the solution in another message in this thread.




# Han

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-28  3:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-27  0:02 backup method Han Boetes
2005-01-27  0:45 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27  1:20   ` Miles Bader
2005-01-27  1:37     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27  1:54     ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27 22:18       ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-28  3:56         ` Han Boetes [this message]
2005-01-29  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-29  6:08             ` Han Boetes
2005-01-29 18:42               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 21:06                 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-29 21:48                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:37                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:49                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 21:57                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:05                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-29 22:52                 ` Han Boetes
2005-01-29 23:50                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-30 21:52                     ` Han Boetes
2005-01-31  0:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-31  0:57                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-01 13:30                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-01 14:09                           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-02-03  6:40                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-03  9:27                               ` David Kastrup
2005-02-03 10:15                                 ` Han Boetes
2005-02-05  5:28                                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-02-05 10:26                                   ` David Kastrup
2005-02-06 10:29                                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-31  0:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-31  4:07                   ` Han Boetes
2005-01-29 20:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-30 10:57               ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-30 11:39                 ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27 18:25   ` Kevin Rodgers
2005-01-27 20:25     ` Reiner Steib
2005-01-27 23:19       ` Miles Bader
2005-01-27 23:12     ` Miles Bader
2005-01-28  3:55     ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-27  1:47 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27  2:08   ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  2:27     ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  4:59       ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  2:37     ` Miles Bader
2005-01-27  3:27       ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  5:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-01-27  5:27   ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27 19:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-01-28  4:14       ` Han Boetes
2005-01-27  8:30   ` Kim F. Storm
2005-01-27 19:55     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27 21:12       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27 20:15     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-01-27 22:19     ` Richard Stallman

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