From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Han Boetes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: backup method Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:27:12 +0100 Message-ID: <20050127052734.GG6167@boetes.org> References: <20050127000210.GA6167@boetes.org> <01c5042e$Blat.v2.4$728a4c40@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1106804878 17492 80.91.229.6 (27 Jan 2005 05:47:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 27 06:47:52 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cu2VU-0001V9-00 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 06:47:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2hp-0001Sg-6j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2co-00016M-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:55:26 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2cW-00010q-GX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:55:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu2cW-0000ut-2x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:55:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [217.120.147.78] (helo=boetes.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cu2BW-0007sQ-Iv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:27:15 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 28714 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Jan 2005 05:27:35 -0000 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <01c5042e$Blat.v2.4$728a4c40@zahav.net.il> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32580 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32580 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:01:48 +0059 > > From: Han Boetes > > > > The default backup method is mv and then create a new file. That's > > nice if you really want to keep the timestamp intact. But if you > > use emacs with crontab -e you remove the tmpfile and since the > > filedescriptor is still open your update to your cron is lost -- > > without warning. It was pretty hard to discover why this happened. > > > > So I would like to suggest to make backup by copying the default. > > So you had a very specific problem, and you are suggesting to change > the defaults of _all_ users just because of that one problem? You are absolutely right, that's exactly what I suggested. I also suggest you make a study on rhetorical questions and I hope you find out why you should avoid them. > I agree with Miles: the default backup method is a very natural thing > to do. I don't think your special case is a reason good enough to > change the default. If you would have read the rest of the thread you would have discovered I came up with something better. > At best, it's a reason for you to customize your Emacs. No I really found a problem. Not a bug in emacs, but it does need a workaround. # Han