From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recent problems with `make bootstrap'. Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:35:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200412091835.iB9IZnI20128@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200412090419.iB94JYd16562@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102617510 11747 80.91.229.6 (9 Dec 2004 18:38:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 09 19:38:21 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CcTBE-0002yw-00 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:38:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTL9-0003Nw-2n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:48:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTKl-0003Nn-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:48:11 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTKl-0003NT-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:48:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CcTKk-0003NJ-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:48:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CcTAh-0001g0-FZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:37:47 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9IbcFu017311; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:37:38 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id iB9IZnI20128; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:35:49 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: ttn@glug.org In-reply-to: (message from Thien-Thi Nguyen on Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:18:55 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:30948 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:30948 Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: all time is wasted because all time cannot be conserved. for example, i have just wasted some time writing `line-spacing' docs. Which most people will not get to see until you manage to write some documentation for `vertical-scroll-bar' as well. Even after that, manuals could remain stale for ages because somebody once again forgot an `@end defvar", forgot to double up an `@' in an email address or whatever. Worse, more xrefs pointing nowhere could be deliberately introduced. In as far as `vertical-scroll-bar' is concerned, this and the related `default-vertical-scroll-bar' where introduced by Kim Storm on 2003-05-24. Grepping through the sources, I see all the things necessary for _definition_. I could not find any evidence of implementation, although there were so many false hits that I might have overlooked something. The docstring for `vertical-scroll-bar' is definitely completely wrong. I was told that Kim was writing documentation for `line-spacing' (but not for `vertical-scroll-bar'). I would guess that probably Kim knows what the deal with `vertical-scroll-bar' is. Sincerely, Luc.