From: Andries Brouwer <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
Cc: bug-cc-mode@gnu.org, Andries Brouwer <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: cc-mode adds newlines
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:29:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041121142946.GO20436@apps.cwi.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1041121131657.297B-100000@acm.acm>
On Sun, Nov 21, 2004 at 01:52:49PM +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >You see - nobody wants c-require-final-newline.
>
> Untrue - Alfred M. Szmidt, for one, wants it.
Did he tell you in private mail? To me he wrote
"It is not relevant what I want"
> If nobody wanted it, it
> wouldn't have been implemented.
I think that implication is false. As I just wrote to dak,
a lot of stuff is implemented out of ignorance.
> >require-final-newline is a beautiful variable. Set it to ask by default
> >and some people will make it always true, some will make it always false.
> >Many will leave it to ask.
>
> And some will want it t in C Mode and nil in Text Mode, and really don't
> want to be bothered answering the question "Add one? (y or n)" twenty
> times a day.
Possibly. So far we have not discovered such users.
Maybe Alfred M. Szmidt has told you in private mail that
he has such preferences.
I see lots of people who are unhappy. Jari Aalto writes
"I agree. The problem is not just in CC mode"
Stefan Monnier writes
"I'd tend to agree: setting it to `ask' is fine, but only the user
should set it to t if she likes it, not the major mode."
Richard Stallman writes
"I tend to think it is wrong for major modes to set this at all."
> OK, you've been bitten. Sorry. It's happened already and it can't now
> be undone.
And you see: nobody will discover the existence of this variable
until they have been bitten. That is, the default is unsafe -
files are changed that should have been left alone.
I oppose against an unsafe default.
Andries
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Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <mailman.3671.1100818498.8225.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2004-11-18 23:31 ` cc-mode adds newlines Jari Aalto
2004-11-19 20:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-19 23:13 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-20 0:13 ` Miles Bader
2004-11-20 15:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 2:08 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 10:00 ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 11:38 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 12:45 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:58 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 13:03 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-25 15:59 ` cc-mode adds newlines version=2.64 Jari Aalto
2004-11-22 0:03 ` cc-mode adds newlines Stefan Monnier
2004-11-21 12:53 ` Miles Bader
2004-11-21 13:00 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:14 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:35 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:41 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:54 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:54 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-11-21 11:06 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:45 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:08 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 11:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 12:26 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 12:34 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 12:49 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:08 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:28 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:37 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:43 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 13:51 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 14:03 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:01 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:08 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 19:21 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-21 15:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:36 ` Andries Brouwer
[not found] ` <01c4d003$Blat.v2.2.2$3d9a05c0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:28 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 4:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22 9:04 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 13:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-21 14:29 ` Andries Brouwer [this message]
2004-11-21 15:07 ` David Kastrup
2004-11-21 15:20 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 19:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 21:19 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 21:46 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-11-21 22:19 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 11:54 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2004-11-22 15:54 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 16:56 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:50 ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-11-22 19:20 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-24 10:12 ` Kai Grossjohann
[not found] ` <01c4d002$Blat.v2.2.2$50b57dc0@zahav.net.il>
2004-11-21 21:21 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-22 4:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-11-22 0:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 14:07 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-22 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-22 19:16 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-11-22 20:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-24 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-24 4:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-28 14:45 ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-29 6:11 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30 10:51 ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-12-01 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 14:47 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-21 15:03 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-21 15:39 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-21 21:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-23 16:30 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25 2:21 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-25 20:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-11-28 16:56 Andries.Brouwer
[not found] ` <Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl>
2004-11-28 17:17 ` Martin Stjernholm
2004-11-28 20:20 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-29 0:14 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-30 7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 15:26 ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-31 16:56 ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-02 16:05 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-02 18:02 ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-30 7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-30 8:11 ` David Kastrup
2004-12-01 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
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