From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Current CVS doesn't bootstrap Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:21:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200411072021.iA7KL0E02044@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <01c4c3f3$Blat.v2.2.2$7e8aa060@zahav.net.il> <01c4c41c$Blat.v2.2.2$0fa338a0@zahav.net.il> <200411062248.iA6MmEm29919@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <01c4c487$Blat.v2.2.2$d4c31400@zahav.net.il> <200411071743.iA7Hhfi01732@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200411071933.iA7JXul02016@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1099858943 9862 80.91.229.6 (7 Nov 2004 20:22:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 20:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 07 21:22:11 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CQtYA-0005TN-00 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:22:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CQtgT-0001uE-RO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:30:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CQtgL-0001u0-1W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:30:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CQtgK-0001tg-5J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:30:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CQtgJ-0001tS-RN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:30:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CQtXX-0002eI-QM; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:21:32 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA7KLVFu018144; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:21:31 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id iA7KL0E02044; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:21:00 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: dak@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:42:29 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:29531 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:29531 David Kastrup wrote: Well, if that were the points you were trying to make, you watered them down unnecessarily with introducing your hardware. I did that to give concrete idea of the times that were involved on fast computers, with concrete numbers. It is ok to tell people what bargains in reliability versus performance they can make. It is not ok to assume that performance may never be an issue. I believe that in my proposed patch to INSTALL.CVS, I did the former and not the latter. Both in my patch and in my preceding remarks I mentioned that the OS may only be able to run one job at a time, in which case performance is obviously a big issue. I believe that you read things in my message that were not in there. Maybe part of my message implied a conjecture that the majority of new computers bought _today_ would be fast enough. Maybe that conjecture was wrong, but anyway, it is irrelevant since people do not buy a new computer every year. The only conclusion I made out of that was that it would be good to mention the _possibility_ of always using `make maintainer-clean', since the number of people for which it makes sense is already non-trivial and will be growing over time. Sincerely, Luc.