From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Current CVS doesn't bootstrap Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:33:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <200411071933.iA7JXul02016@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <01c4c3f3$Blat.v2.2.2$7e8aa060@zahav.net.il> <01c4c41c$Blat.v2.2.2$0fa338a0@zahav.net.il> <200411062248.iA6MmEm29919@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <01c4c487$Blat.v2.2.2$d4c31400@zahav.net.il> <200411071743.iA7Hhfi01732@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1099856132 2532 80.91.229.6 (7 Nov 2004 19:35:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 07 20:35:22 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CQsos-0002bT-00 for ; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:35:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CQsxB-0002yF-1p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:43:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CQswv-0002wg-P9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:43:41 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CQswt-0002uy-OX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:43:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CQswt-0002uC-Mi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:43:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CQsnx-00014V-Pi; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:34:25 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA7JYPFu017992; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:34:25 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) id iA7JXul02016; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:33:56 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: dak@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:38:35 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:29529 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:29529 David Kastrup wrote: If you pay for it. My laptop is a 600MHz single Pentium III, and my desktop is a 200MHz AMD K6II. There are two points I wanted to make: 1. The main recommended procedure described in INSTALL.CVS does not remove the .elc files. It only recommends to do `make bootstrap' in case of problems. But the current version of `make bootstrap' is not likely to solve these problems, most of which are caused by failing to recompile .el files. 2. The second point I was trying to make, which I guess is what you reacted to, is that for people that _do_ have reasonably fast machines, _always_ doing a `make maintainer-clean' might be better than the procedure recommended in INSTALL.CVS. It can save many people a lot of time worrying about fake bugs. If you do have resources, you might as well take advantage of them. INSTALL.CVS already describes a procedure for people with slower computers to use. The proposed `make bootstrap-build' would preserve the current `make-bootstrap' behavior as a second alternative for slow computers. But currently people are mislead into believing that `make bootstrap' is guaranteed to produce something completely equivalent to a fresh checkout. This very far from the case with the current version. Sincerely, Luc.