From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jay Finger" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: $HOME default on w32 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:45:25 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20041028054526.SVRZ22257.out007.verizon.net@muskrat> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098942357 21798 80.91.229.6 (28 Oct 2004 05:45:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Stephan Stahl' , ''Kai Grossjohann' ' , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 28 07:45:43 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CN36V-00024A-00 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:45:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CN3EH-00054P-PT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:53:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CN3EC-00054K-6Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:53:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CN3EB-000548-Ps for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:53:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CN3EB-000545-NH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:53:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [206.46.170.107] (helo=out007.verizon.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CN36F-00053u-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:45:27 -0400 Original-Received: from muskrat ([4.15.136.159]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041028054526.SVRZ22257.out007.verizon.net@muskrat>; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:26 -0500 Original-To: "'Stefan Monnier'" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcS8Tg3oaNbjUKniTXq329AsrGvIdwAYFGMA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.15.136.159] at Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:45:25 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:29093 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:29093 Stefan said > From a Unix point of view, $HOME should be (as far as possible) "the > highest > user-specific directory", so that everything that belongs to the user is > below ~. > > I think that's why I feel like HOME == USERPROFILE makes more sense. > > And since non-user-generated files (like ~/.emacs if it comes from Custom, > or ~/.emacs.d/auto-save-list) are put below $HOME, I feel like "My > Documents" would be wrong. > > I have no interest in following W32 practice: I just want to get Emacs > working as well as it can in this inhospitable (because non-Unixy) > environment. Using C:\ is clearly wrong on systems where C:\ is not > writable or where there are multiple users. I don't really understand the statement that '$HOME should be (as far as possible) "the highest user-specific directory"'. I certainly get that _is_ that way outside of Windows, but what in emacs' behavior makes you think $HOME _should be_ as high as possible? Please don't misunderstand me: I'm not trying to convert anybody, nor do I want Emacs behave as a "normal" W32 app. But I think users will find it more intuitive if "~" is a directory more likely to have their "stuff". Those of us with a Unix background will likely not find that any less convenient than $USERPROFILE, which by itself is already a long sequence of characters with some spaces. Personally, the shortcut I use to start emacs sets the starting folder to where my source trees are (no spaces!) so I at least have something easy type when I'm in *scratch*. But I also set $HOME to My Documents on all my machines because that's where my stuff is. jay