From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:58:28 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20041010225828.GA31829@fencepost> References: <87mzywyeau.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> <20041008234741.GA17298@fencepost> <878yafj2tn.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> <87mzyvrc4z.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> <20041009182047.GA22402@fencepost> <878yaf61x0.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> <20041009211043.GA8161@fencepost> <20041009211907.GC8161@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1097449148 2766 80.91.229.6 (10 Oct 2004 22:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net, Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 11 00:59:01 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CGmeb-0005Oz-00 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:59:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CGmlV-0000L2-PJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CGmlB-0000Ks-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:05:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CGmlA-0000KS-8f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:05:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CGml9-0000KO-Kj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:05:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CGmeB-0005Qd-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:58:35 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CGme4-0000DS-Qh; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:58:28 -0400 Original-To: Richard Stallman Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28202 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:58799 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28202 On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 11:15:51AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Oh, BTW, of course the files should probably stay in their current > location in the Gnus distribution -- the renaming will only effect > their location within the Emacs source tree. > > If some files from Gnus are moved out of the gnus subdirectory, that > means we will maintain them as ordinary parts of Emacs. > > It is fine if Gnus developers copy changes from these files, and > contribute changes to them. But they can't just install new > versions of them as they do with the Gnus files. I'm not sure what the difference between "contribute new changes" and "install new versions" is. Do you mean that a patch from a gnus maintainer would have to be posted to the mailing list to be put into emacs (unlike Gnus changes)? I don't like such a distinction in principle, as it has the potential be extremely annoying for me (as the person who is currently dealing with interfacing Gnus and Emacs). However I'm not if it's would be a problem in practice, because the Gnus branch Emacs is using is relatively slowly changing: I would likely implement such a restriction simply by giving any Gnus changes to "non-Gnus" files a more thorough examination -- and expect that mostly they would be perfectly fine (minor bugfixes and the like) and apply them. I'll it up to the Gnus maintainers to comment on Alexander's (forthcoming) patch in light of this. If these files are mature enough that they should rarely be changed, there may be no problem. -Miles -- My spirit felt washed. With blood. [Eli Shin, on "The Passion of the Christ"]