From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MH-E 7.4.4 checked in Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:04:10 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20040714220410.GA27263@fencepost> References: <1890.1089689203@newt.com> <2914-Tue13Jul2004070451+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <3589.1089692661@newt.com> <2914-Tue13Jul2004215551+0300-eliz@gnu.org> <861xjfkpgu.fsf@rumba.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1089842685 21964 80.91.224.253 (14 Jul 2004 22:04:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kai Grossjohann , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 15 00:04:33 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bkrrc-0005YS-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:04:32 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bkrrc-0007n0-00 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:04:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bkru3-0005xH-QO for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:07:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bkru1-0005wy-1G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:07:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bkru0-0005wX-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:07:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bkrtz-0005wN-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:06:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BkrrH-0001tm-IS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:04:11 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BkrrH-0007mZ-07; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:04:11 -0400 Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:25701 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:25701 On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 03:22:42PM +0200, Kim F. Storm wrote: > > That and 134,295 other bad-for-merging changes.... > > Why do we need to merge those changes? > > Don't people get along just fine with using an "unmodified" Oort Gnus > on CVS emacs ? Sure (including me). But there do seem to be `real' changes in the emacs version -- many of them are fairly trivial (e.g., spelling corrections, or updating Gnus not to use some obsolete feature), and there are some which appear non-trivial but which I don't understand. Many changes are also backported back-and-forth, so gnus already has _some_ of these changes. If I had a better handle on which changes were really important, it would be simpler to do as you say (and forward-port only those important changes), but I don't really, and the sheer quantity of changes makes it hard to spend a lot of time to analyze each one. As it is, though, it's looking like no matter what I do, something will end up broken, so the "give up and drop most of the emacs changes" approach is looking better and better. However, I'd still like to munch on it for a while (I haven't had much time to spend on this recently) before deciding that. BTW, once this is done, I'm going to do my damnedest to keep emacs from falling so far out of sync with upstream... -Miles -- Is it true that nothing can be known? If so how do we know this? -Woody Allen