From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: @#$! new behavior of C-b & C-f in i-search Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:31:48 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200405201131.UAA16621@etlken.m17n.org> References: <86k6za1afm.fsf@rumba.de.uu.net> <871xlfaat6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200405200835.RAA16172@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1085053858 16786 80.91.224.253 (20 May 2004 11:50:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ke@gnu.franken.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 20 13:50:45 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQm4T-0002kj-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:50:45 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQm4S-0004IU-00 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:50:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQlyB-0005e0-1S for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:44:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BQlx5-0005KZ-F2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:43:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BQlt3-0004Pa-P2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:39:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.47.44.130] (helo=tsukuba.m17n.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQlmB-0003Lq-01; Thu, 20 May 2004 07:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i4KBVnQ00686; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:31:49 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i4KBVmW09699; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:31:48 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id UAA16621; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:31:48 +0900 (JST) Original-To: dak@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on 20 May 2004 12:48:54 +0200) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23777 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23777 In article , David Kastrup writes: >> We anyway use two hands to type C-b, > You do? I usually type C-b with just the left hand, and I guess that > would be the usual way for touch typists. Or sometimes I do just with > the right, in case I am busy with the left hand eating or something. Touch typists don't have to type C-b. And I think they use Right Shift to type B (i.e. both hands). At least with my hand (I think it's average as Japanese, but perhaps smaller than average Western person), pressing both Ctrl and b with the left hand is a little bit difficult. >> To me, their importance are almost the same, and I prefer convient >> keys to keys of meaningful mnemonic. So, I'm using adjoining C-i >> and C-o for isearch-del-char and isearch-yank-char recently. This >> is quite convenient at least for me (I have been using C-q C-i to >> isearch for TAB). What do you think? > Well, considering that the right control key on today's keyboards is > rather small if at all existent, those are definitely less convenient > than C-f and C-b. I think we don't have to consider that kind of convenience (i.e. requires two hands or not) to decide a key binding. >> And, i(n) and o(ut) may give some meaning to these keys. > But I think it rather common to be searching for TAB characters in > isearch strings, particularly in regexps. For me, not that frequent as using isearch-del-char. And, as I wrote, TAB can be easily searched for by typing C-q C-i. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org