From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tramp with global-auto-revert-mode. Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:53:01 -0500 (CDT) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200405140253.i4E2r1Q15525@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200405122254.i4CMsUj29445@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200405122326.i4CNQk929511@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200405132324.i4DNOBs14811@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200405140008.i4E08lb14858@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <871xln4xmc.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <200405140132.i4E1WaH15085@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87vfiz3fez.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1084503441 7185 80.91.224.253 (14 May 2004 02:57:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 02:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kai@emptydomain.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 14 04:57:17 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BOSsv-00083c-00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:57:17 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BOSsp-0000Ny-00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:57:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BOSrG-00005M-7h for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:55:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BOSr2-0008WJ-4a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:55:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.34) id 1BOSqV-0008Ko-Jv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:55:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BOSp2-0007tS-7K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:53:16 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4E2r8TS001439; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:53:08 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id i4E2r1Q15525; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:53:01 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca In-reply-to: <87vfiz3fez.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on 13 May 2004 22:35:55 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:23373 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:23373 Stefan Monnier wrote: Let's first try to *fix* bugs. Hiding them should be left for a last-resort when all else fails. OK, I will wait and _not_ commit the patch I proposed right now. But I still wonder how it can possibly make sense to carry out every five seconds an operation that usually takes longer than five seconds. Probably the crash can be fixed, but the crash is not the only bug. There are freezes. `with-local-quit' does not really help. Things refreeze 0-5 seconds later. I just come to have a relatively prolonged period where I not only could not use Emacs any more, I had a hard time to do C-x C-c and then press `y' quickly enough to kill Emacs. My patch is motivated by these freezes. It is _not_ intended to "hide" crashes. I believe there should at least be an option to disable auto-reverting of remote files. I also believe disabling should be the default, although that might be less clear. Sincerely, Luc.