From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Whaite Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: describe-mode's treatment of minor-modes is annoying Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:40:34 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200405061708.i46H8U4D014234@brains.moreideas.ca> References: <87ad0ld5oc.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083869355 26054 80.91.224.253 (6 May 2004 18:49:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 18:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 06 20:49:01 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BLnvZ-0001LX-00 for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 20:49:01 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BLnvZ-0006Wy-00 for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 20:49:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BLnpf-0005Fc-PH for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 14:42:55 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BLnM6-000236-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 14:12:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BLnKw-0001Ui-Hg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 14:11:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.30) id 1BLmgS-0006at-6G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:29:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.185.220.240] (helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BLmMV-0001aQ-Gm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 13:08:43 -0400 Original-Received: from brains.moreideas.ca ([142.169.171.181]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.00.05.02 201-2115-109-103-20031105) with ESMTP id <20040506170832.IFUB19374.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@brains.moreideas.ca> for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:08:32 -0600 Original-Received: from brains.moreideas.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by brains.moreideas.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i46H8Udv014238 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:08:30 -0400 Original-Received: from brains.moreideas.ca (peta@localhost) by brains.moreideas.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i46H8U4D014234 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:08:30 -0400 Resent-Message-Id: <200405061708.i46H8U4D014234@brains.moreideas.ca> Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: Your message of "06 May 2004 22:52:03 +0900." <87ad0ld5oc.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.3+cvs; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.50.41 Resent-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 13:08:30 -0400 Resent-From: Peter Whaite X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22873 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22873 Miles Bader wrote: > When there are buttons/hyperlinks in a read-only buffer, there's a good > chance that TAB will jump to the next one (and Shift-TAB jump > backwards). It's very handy. I find the mode help far too busy. The minor modes coming first are a distraction. The ^L look messy and dont visually separate the different sections well enough. Having an index of buttons sounds good. Has it been suggested that the button action could show/hide inline the description of its corresponding mode rather than displaying it in another buffer? Thats what mh-e does for mime parts (gnus too?), and I find it quite usable. -- Peter Whaite (http://whaite.ca)