From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:28:35 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200405031128.UAA11963@etlken.m17n.org> References: <20040502211541.GA26227@fencepost> <85y8oa6nwi.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <87n04paner.fsf@peder.flower> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083584981 28770 80.91.224.253 (3 May 2004 11:49:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 11:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lars@nocrew.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 03 13:49:28 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKbwu-0003dv-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:49:28 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKbwu-0006VQ-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 13:49:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKbwa-0002f9-DV for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 07:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKbuk-0002AB-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 07:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKbmM-0008E0-2f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 07:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.47.44.130] (helo=tsukuba.m17n.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKbcl-0006co-6v; Mon, 03 May 2004 07:28:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i43BSa828521; Mon, 3 May 2004 20:28:36 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i43BSZ900178; Mon, 3 May 2004 20:28:35 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id UAA11963; Mon, 3 May 2004 20:28:35 +0900 (JST) Original-To: janneke@gnu.org In-reply-to: <87n04paner.fsf@peder.flower> (message from Jan Nieuwenhuizen on Mon, 03 May 2004 11:08:12 +0200) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22608 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22608 In article <87n04paner.fsf@peder.flower>, Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > I think we may be getting somewhere here. If the consensus is that > Emacs bindings (which I like, btw) are only convenient with special > keyboards or custom mappings, it might be good to reconsider the > default mapping that is used. It may be helpful (for new users) if > the default mapping that Emacs uses is actually useful with the type > of keyboard that they are most probable to use. Isn't it possible to make Emacs custom mappings if requested, at least on X window? For instance, M-x swap-ctrl-capslock RET. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org