From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 04:34:27 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20040503083427.GA6360@fencepost> References: <20040502211541.GA26227@fencepost> <85y8oa6nwi.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083573585 4908 80.91.224.253 (3 May 2004 08:39:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Brinkhoff , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 03 10:39:37 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKYzB-0003vT-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 10:39:37 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKYzA-0003Bs-00 for ; Mon, 03 May 2004 10:39:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKYut-0003tJ-Ir for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKYuj-0003sk-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:35:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKYuC-0003kI-1J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:34:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKYuB-0003kD-T6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:34:27 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BKYuB-0002Pi-K9; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:34:27 -0400 Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22589 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22589 On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 07:53:40AM +0200, Kim F. Storm wrote: > Now I understand -- to use the emacs bindings you have to buy a > special keyboard. How convenient :-| Geez, Kim, it's just a very nice keyboard. To be honest, a standard keyboard isn't really much good for typing commands at all -- on a standard keyboard _none_ of the non-shift modifier keys is in a convenient position for the most efficient use of `modeless' editor like emacs. None. So you really can't blame the emacs command set -- it's simply not possible to do much better without either remapping something, or buying a better keyboard. > Are you serious ? What about you? -Miles -- (\(\ (^.^) (")") *This is the cute bunny virus, please copy this into your sig so it can spread.