From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:06:12 -0500 (CDT) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200404262306.i3QN6CL29138@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083021594 17906 80.91.224.253 (26 Apr 2004 23:19:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 27 01:19:44 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIFO4-0005fD-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:19:44 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIFO3-0001mq-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:19:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIFIm-0003SW-7r for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIFFT-0002QB-1N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:10:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIFEn-0002Aw-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:10:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIFEE-0001td-6K; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:09:34 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3QN9QTS027640; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:09:26 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id i3QN6CL29138; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:06:12 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: dak@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on 26 Apr 2004 23:36:06 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22203 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22203 David Kastrup wrote: So if I have a busy computer or a slow connection or accessibility problems or slow typing, the only way to reliably compile a document in AUCTeX (C-c C-c) is to use S-C-c C-c which is not the most friendly keysequence to type. Also, the meaning and/or naming of commands changes depending on whether the region is active or not. Actually, if your connection would be as slow as mine you would be forced to run emacs -nw and there would be no difference between S-C-c C-c and C-c C-c. Per and others have suggested making the CUA bindings the _default_. Bindings that do not work on text only terminals, such as shifted arrow keys and shifted control characters, are unacceptable for important _default_ bindings, unless they have well-documented alternatives. But then the user has to learn _two_ sets of bindings. This applies not just to CUA. I believe that, whenever _any_ changes to default bindings or manuals descriptions are discussed, text only terminals, and, in particular, emacs -nw, should not be ignored. Sincerely, Luc.