From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Explorer? Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:33:56 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20040422123356.GA28041@fencepost> References: <6999B5E2-8EB3-11D8-9A7F-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> <8E554882-9453-11D8-A05E-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082638732 32653 80.91.224.253 (22 Apr 2004 12:58:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 22 14:58:46 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGdmv-000708-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:58:45 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BGdmv-0008U6-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:58:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGdVN-0003Hc-1H for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:40:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BGdSS-0002W6-CC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:37:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BGdRk-0002IN-Lu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:37:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BGdQP-0001o7-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:35:29 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BGdOu-0007vZ-Hk; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:33:56 -0400 Original-To: "Jan D." Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8E554882-9453-11D8-A05E-000D93505B76@swipnet.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22027 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22027 On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 01:52:39PM +0200, Jan D. wrote: > Exactly what is inconsistent? That mouse down does not clear the selected > part or that it doesn't set mark, or something else? Note that it is only > when clicking on some selected text and dragging that the behaviour > differs. If clicking outside selected text, or not dragging, we can keep > the old behaviour. To tell the truth, I hate the D&D-by-dragging-selected-text behavior of other apps (in particular, mozilla), because it's damn touchy -- often I'll try to click to make the selected region collapse, but accidentally drag a _little bit_, which ends up invoking the D&D behavior... The same thing happens with other interfaces where dragging vs. clicking makes a significant difference (e.g., trying to edit the filename of a selected icon in windows -- _infuriating_!), it just seems like poor design. -Miles -- 97% of everything is grunge