From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never). Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:59:50 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20040419235950.GA12584@fencepost> References: <20040412041506.GA31211@fencepost> <200404161315.WAA22229@etlken.m17n.org> <200404170141.KAA23821@etlken.m17n.org> <200404190440.NAA28930@etlken.m17n.org> <200404192344.IAA01681@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1082419530 31413 80.91.224.253 (20 Apr 2004 00:05:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, romain@orebokech.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, storm@cua.dk, miles@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 20 02:05:23 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BFilP-0002xw-00 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:05:23 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BFilP-0004x8-00 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:05:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BFil5-0008Dp-Oe for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BFikO-0008C3-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:04:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BFihk-0007iC-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BFihA-0007Tk-S4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:01:00 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BFig2-00042H-KR; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:59:50 -0400 Original-To: Kenichi Handa Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404192344.IAA01681@etlken.m17n.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:21916 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:21916 On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 08:44:58AM +0900, Kenichi Handa wrote: > > Do you have `testing' or `unstable' in your sources.list? > > Ah! No. But I'd like to avoid installing such versions by > apt-get. I always install testing version in > /usr/local/... by getting source and compiling it. I wouldn't worry too much about it -- "unstable" is actually quite reliable generally (failures are almost always of the form "package won't upgrade", which of course leaves you wait the old version still installed). "testing" is even better: it's like unstable without the occasional problems unstable has, albeit a tiny bit older. My vague rules are: * For a personal machine with a fast net connection (so downloading fixes is fast), use "unstable" -- the frequent upgrades and quick bugfixes are more than worth the occasional (and usually minor) problem. * For a personal machine with a slow net connection, or where you don't want to do frequent updates, use "testing". Weighing the (small) _potential_ for unstability in "testing" versus the rather old (and often buggy) software in "stable", testing almost always wins. * For a big department server, where changes can affect many people, maybe "stable" is justified -- but even here, you probably want to download both package lists, and install some packages from testing as well, where the stable version is simply too stupidly old. -Miles -- `Cars give people wonderful freedom and increase their opportunities. But they also destroy the environment, to an extent so drastic that they kill all social life' (from _A Pattern Language_)