From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info enhancements Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:25:04 -0600 (CST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200312061825.hB6IP4S09640@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <878ylrbbk4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200312051426.hB5EQeZ11287@f7.net> <87ekvjuuj8.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200312051802.hB5I2EC04476@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200312052233.hB5MXsv07577@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <87ptf2omam.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <7494-Sat06Dec2003114347+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> <200312061645.hB6GjnB09507@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <3791-Sat06Dec2003191515+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1070735701 18764 80.91.224.253 (6 Dec 2003 18:35:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, karl@freefriends.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 19:34:57 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AShGb-00079D-00 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:34:57 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AShGb-0007JE-00 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:34:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ASiBi-0002XB-QO for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:33:58 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ASiBP-0002WC-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:33:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ASiAs-0001jW-55 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:33:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ASiAr-0001ir-MM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:33:05 -0500 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB6IVhKk014025; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:31:43 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id hB6IP4S09640; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:25:04 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: eliz@elta.co.il In-reply-to: <3791-Sat06Dec2003191515+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18468 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18468 Eli Zaretskii wrote: Same difference. There's no need to do that, IMHO, so let's not. Really, the only positive outcome of this longish thread is the more-or-less widespread consensus that we should develop an XML-based reader. Could we please drop the (IMHO futile) attempts to ``fix'' the current Info readers by making them slicker than they were designed to be? This thread concerns ten changes proposed by Juri in a patch (which I personally applied, so I know more or less what it does). This has nothing to do with the move to XML, discussed in a variety of threads unrelated to this one. In this one we are discussing the ten changes in Juri's patch. Of these ten there is _one_ (the playing around with the arguments to xref and with `Info-find-index-name', to determine where a reference leads to) to which your last sentence indeed might apply. The "subthread" you responded to is concerned with the "Info history buffer" feature in Juri's patch, unrelated to the above feature. Right now, we are trying to deal with an apparent problem that the Elisp info reader has with similarly named references (it were really references, not menu entries, I just got confused for a moment). I do not understand in what way your last sentence, quoted above, relates to this problem, or to the way Juri was proposing to solve it. There would be other ways to solve the problem, if Juri's way were objectionable. But, your last sentence seems to imply that you consider _all_ attempts to solve the problem futile and that they should be dropped immediately. Is this really what you mean? Sincerely, Luc.