From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:38:42 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200312041738.hB4HcgZ25310@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1070560306 19987 80.91.224.253 (4 Dec 2003 17:51:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, epameinondas@gmx.de, nferrier@tapsellferrier.co.uk, bob@rattlesnake.com, eliz@elta.co.il, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 18:51:36 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ARxdY-00026m-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:51:36 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ARxdY-0002cf-00 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:51:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ARyUW-0001uY-5o for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:46:20 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ARyPD-000088-M5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:40:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ARyOh-0008MI-KB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:40:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [209.61.216.22] (helo=f7.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ARyOc-0008Ll-Bn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:40:14 -0500 Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) id hB4HcgZ25310; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:38:42 -0500 Original-To: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18388 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18388 Thank you for the concise and clear summary, Luc. As far as the general issue goes, as I've said before, I completely agree that building a new Texinfo-XML reader inside Emacs is a better approach than attempting to remedy the deficiencies of Info format on bitmapped displayed by kludges on top of the existing Info format. For example, reformatting paragraphs, hiding note references, printing different markup in different colors, and all the rest (let alone putting @ifinfo into the source). Although I totally appreciate all the efforts to bring Info into the world of bitmapped displays, doing it through Info format just does not seem viable to me. That is not what Info was designed for, or what it is good at. And, I think we all agree that Info format as it currently stands needs to coexist with whatever new reader/technology is built, in a compatible way. There are almost 20 years of Info installations out there, we cannot render :) them useless in new versions of the software. Regards, k