From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: juri@jurta.org, epameinondas@gmx.de,
nferrier@tapsellferrier.co.uk, bob@rattlesnake.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org
Subject: Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:54:45 -0600 (CST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200312040254.hB42sjq25857@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2914-Wed03Dec2003181809+0200-eliz@elta.co.il>
Does anybody have any idea where we stand now with this thread and its
various relatives? Is the following a reasonable summary?
1. The Info format is "here to stay". It is intended for readers with
minimal capabilities and it is important that people can access
documentation via these readers.
2. Emacs is not a reader with minimal capabilities. It could use XML
to make Emacs info look as pretty as it can be, without paying a
price in terms of functionality.
3. Oliver Scholz has a patch to allow the standalone reader to convert
XML to Info format "on the fly", so people would only need to have
the XML files installed to use both Emacs Info and standalone Info.
Oliver's patch would add some "color" to standalone Info. (Unless
these colors would be very customizable, or maybe even if they are,
please provide a command line option to disable this. Not
everybody can read yellow on white, cyan on white or red on black.)
4. Oliver is not volunteering to rewrite info.el to be able to use XML
himself, although he has offered help, as explained in his earlier
message. (I do not know XML and am not volunteering either.)
Would there be anybody feeling comfortable with this, assuming this
is really what we wanted to do?
5. Emacs will still need to be able to handle .info files, if no XML
file is available, but certainly if we produce XML files from the
.texi files, that case becomes marginal enough that we should not
waste a lot of energy trying to do the impossible by attempting to
present .info files in "nicer" ways than theoretically possible.
Sincerely,
Luc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-12-04 2:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-28 1:26 terminal escapes in Info files? Karl Berry
2003-10-28 10:51 ` Alper Ersoy
2003-10-28 13:48 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-10-30 10:42 ` Alper Ersoy
2003-11-10 13:01 ` HTML as info format (was: terminal escapes in Info files?) Oliver Scholz
2003-11-17 13:29 ` HTML as info format Juri Linkov
2003-11-18 7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-18 14:54 ` Changes to Texinfo DTD [Was: Re: HTML as info format] Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-18 15:59 ` Changes to Texinfo DTD Oliver Scholz
2003-11-18 21:03 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-18 21:18 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-19 12:38 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-19 13:18 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-20 10:37 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-20 16:55 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-20 18:19 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-20 20:32 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-20 22:05 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-20 22:51 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-21 2:13 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-21 8:49 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-21 2:10 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-21 7:57 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24 7:57 ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-24 9:32 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-22 21:19 ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-22 21:41 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-22 21:42 ` Miles Bader
2003-11-22 21:56 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24 7:55 ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-24 9:25 ` Why XSLT in Emacs Lisp? (was Re: Changes to Texinfo DTD) Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24 13:04 ` Why XSLT in Emacs Lisp? Alex Schroeder
2003-11-23 17:14 ` Changes to Texinfo DTD Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-24 7:54 ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-24 16:19 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-24 22:32 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-11-24 22:31 ` Miles Bader
2003-11-25 5:22 ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-25 16:48 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-25 21:59 ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-25 23:32 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-25 19:54 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-11-25 21:48 ` Juri Linkov
2003-11-26 1:08 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-02 6:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03 1:47 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-03 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04 2:53 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-04 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04 2:54 ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2003-12-04 8:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04 9:39 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-12-04 11:48 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-12-04 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04 8:19 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-12-04 13:49 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-12-05 0:11 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-05 9:49 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-06 16:11 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2003-12-06 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-09 16:47 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2003-12-10 7:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-04 3:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-04 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-22 23:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-23 0:05 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-23 14:16 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-23 15:11 ` Nic Ferrier
2003-11-24 16:22 ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-20 18:24 ` Karl Eichwalder
2003-11-24 16:23 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-02 7:08 ` HTML as info format Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-01 10:38 ` Info enhancements Juri Linkov
2003-12-02 3:34 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-02 10:54 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-02 4:43 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-02 10:18 ` Info enhancements (was: Re: HTML as info format) Juri Linkov
2003-12-02 17:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-02 19:26 ` Karl Berry
2003-12-03 5:38 ` Info enhancements Juri Linkov
2003-12-03 13:27 ` Karl Berry
2003-12-03 15:46 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-12-20 5:34 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-20 14:57 ` Karl Berry
2003-12-03 17:16 ` Info enhancements (was: Re: HTML as info format) Richard Stallman
2003-12-02 21:22 ` Info enhancements Reiner Steib
2003-12-03 3:54 ` `s' (regex) search [was Re: Info enhancements] Harry Putnam
2003-12-03 5:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03 9:42 ` Harry Putnam
2003-12-03 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03 11:56 ` Harry Putnam
2003-12-03 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03 19:13 ` Harry Putnam
2003-12-04 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-03 5:04 ` Info enhancements Juri Linkov
2004-09-01 16:42 ` Reiner Steib
2004-09-01 20:55 ` Juri Linkov
2004-09-02 19:02 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-03 0:33 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-03 6:43 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-12 2:08 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-12 14:24 ` Karl Berry
2003-12-12 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-12 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-12-13 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-13 23:15 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-12 21:38 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-13 15:17 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-16 2:14 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-17 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-18 3:03 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-18 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-19 14:03 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-12-20 5:27 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-13 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-15 2:35 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-15 6:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-12-15 20:06 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-16 3:00 ` Juri Linkov
2003-12-16 12:12 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-17 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-17 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2004-07-01 21:07 ` non-blocking socket io: data limit on read? Nic Ferrier
2003-10-28 16:19 ` terminal escapes in Info files? Stefan Monnier
2003-10-29 19:02 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:47 ` David Kastrup
2003-10-29 21:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-10-29 22:39 ` David Kastrup
2003-10-30 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-10-30 18:00 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:01 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:45 ` Alper Ersoy
2003-10-29 19:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-10-30 18:00 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-29 19:02 ` Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-04 16:06 Changes to Texinfo DTD Karl Berry
2003-12-13 11:13 ` Alper Ersoy
2003-12-04 16:44 Karl Berry
2003-12-04 16:44 Karl Berry
2003-12-04 17:38 Karl Berry
2003-12-05 17:31 Karl Berry
2003-12-05 23:08 ` Kim F. Storm
2003-12-06 0:15 Karl Berry
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