From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.pretest,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new online publishing tool for Texinfo documents. Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:10:22 -0500 Sender: texinfo-pretest-bounces@texinfo.org Message-ID: <200311241410.hAOEAMN11471@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069683042 24903 80.91.224.253 (24 Nov 2003 14:10:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: epameinondas@gmx.de Original-X-From: texinfo-pretest-bounces@texinfo.org Mon Nov 24 15:10:39 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from consort.superb.net ([209.61.216.22] helo=f7.net) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AOHQE-0002rv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:10:38 +0100 Original-Received: from consort.superb.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) with ESMTP id hAOEAUe11529; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:10:30 -0500 Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) id hAOEAMN11471; Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:10:22 -0500 Original-To: juri@jurta.org Original-cc: bob@rattlesnake.com Original-cc: texinfo-pretest@texinfo.org Original-cc: nferrier@tapsellferrier.co.uk Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: texinfo-pretest@texinfo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Texinfo development and discussion. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: texinfo-pretest-bounces@texinfo.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.pretest:1163 gmane.emacs.devel:18082 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18082 It's better not to split a XML file, because splitting it to many files will complicate the processing of XML structure as a whole. I agree, and I see no gain to splitting the XML since it is an intermediate format in this scenario. But we're not writing the code, so it's not up to us :). But for such browsers HTML files is already good enough solution. No, it isn't. That is the whole point of the Bob/Nic proposal. It does not support search/index-search, which is a crucial feature. 1. continue to hack existing info.el to overcome existing limitations of Info format; I strongly, strongly believe that current Info format should continue to be a text/console based format, essentially as it is now, trying to describe only what can be done on character-based displays. I.e., as we battered to death earlier, we might add color support, which is about the only thing (I can think of) that consoles can do that Info can't now. As I said, I see no point in trying to make Info format into some ersatz HTML or XML with "logical" markup, trying to somehow allow reformatting paragraphs and all the other things HTML does. That way lies madness. For using the Info system with bitmapped displays, using HTML/XML, such as Bob and Nic are proposing, seems to me to be a far superior approach. HTML/XML will be much better at that than the Info format ever could be. And we lose the simplicity and usefulness of current Info format if we try to make it into XML. 2. extend existing Web browser implemented in Emacs for better support of Info HTML navigation; That is what Bob/Nic are proposing. 3. try to use an additional XML format in Emacs; Again, that is what Bob/Nic are proposing -- essentially. I suppose one could parse the XML output from Texinfo directly, but I don't think that has any special benefits in this case. (Although GTK does it.) It seems better to make it work with web browsers, since most everyone has a browser installed already. _______________________________________________ Texinfo home page: http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/ texinfo-pretest@texinfo.org http://ff0.org/mailman/listinfo/texinfo-pretest