From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: TUTORIAL.bg and windows-1251 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:21:39 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200311170721.QAA11735@etlken.m17n.org> References: <3FB52552.6090302@fmi.uni-sofia.bg> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069054325 12684 80.91.224.253 (17 Nov 2003 07:32:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 07:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 17 08:32:01 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ALdrd-0006d8-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:32:01 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ALdrd-0006cI-00 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:32:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALenI-0006VV-CG for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:31:36 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ALen0-0006S4-CI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:31:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ALemU-0006Jm-Jf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:31:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.47.44.130] (helo=tsukuba.m17n.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ALemT-0006Jh-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 03:30:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6p2/3.7W-20010518204228) with ESMTP id hAH7Leh19576; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:21:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.6/3.7W-20010823150639) with ESMTP id hAH7Lds08377; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:21:40 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id QAA11735; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:21:39 +0900 (JST) Original-To: ogi@fmi.uni-sofia.bg In-reply-to: <3FB52552.6090302@fmi.uni-sofia.bg> (message from Ognyan Kulev on Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:56:18 +0200) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17857 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17857 In article <3FB52552.6090302@fmi.uni-sofia.bg>, Ognyan Kulev writes: > Updated etc/TUTORIAL.bg is attached. Mostly punctuation errors are > fixed and windows-1251 is used. (The only reason that current > TUTORIAL.bg uses koi8-r is because at that time Emacs couldn't use > windows-1251 without evalling (codepage-setup 1251).) > Unfortunately, one problem with windows-1251 still remains. When using > windows-1251 coding system, Emacs tries to use iso10646-1 fonts even > when it has no cyrillic characters[1]! (Old cp1251 coding system > doesn't have such problem.) After conversation with Dave Love, he > showed me customize option utf-fragment-on-decoding. Setting this > option fixes the problem (iso8859-5 font is used instead of iso10646-1 > one). He said that deciding whether this option should be set by > default is up to other people (e.g. Handa), so my question is: what > about setting this customize option by default? And if not, how the > issue can be resolved in Emacs 21.4? I think the default handling of cyrillic characters must be most convenient for native users. But, there are many languages that use cyrillic and their requests may conflict. So I think we must start from adjusting each language environment. Once we found most language environments require the same setting, we can make it the default. For instance, what font Bulgarian people mostly use on X Window for Cyrillic characters? Is it iso8859-5 font? --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org