From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: utf-8 cjk translation bug? Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:55:04 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200310132355.IAA23843@etlken.m17n.org> References: <200309301259.VAA01304@etlken.m17n.org> <200310020108.KAA03803@etlken.m17n.org> <200310062353.IAA11618@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1066090365 32021 80.91.224.253 (14 Oct 2003 00:12:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 00:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 14 02:12:43 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A9Cnr-00017i-00 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:12:43 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A9Cnq-0008NS-00 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:12:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9CkG-0006Av-KW for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:09:00 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A9CY7-00060d-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A9CWx-0005Hg-44 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.41.8] (helo=mx20.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1A9CWw-0003Hw-A9; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:55:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.47.44.130] (helo=tsukuba.m17n.org) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A9CWt-0004hX-8n; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:55:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6p2/3.7W-20010518204228) with ESMTP id h9DNt5h04860; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:55:05 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.6/3.7W-20010823150639) with ESMTP id h9DNt4s18382; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:55:04 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id IAA23843; Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:55:04 +0900 (JST) Original-To: d.love@dl.ac.uk In-reply-to: (message from Dave Love on Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:56:17 +0100) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.3 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17066 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17066 In article , Dave Love writes: > Kenichi Handa writes: >> "using utf-8" means many things. If they are using utf-8 >> locale, I think they surely have those fonts. But, as far >> as I know, ja_JP.UTF-8 is still not that popular in Japan. >> And, even in ja_JP.eucJP locale, people occasionally have to >> use utf-8 file for many reasons. > Of course, but I assume they don't use Emacs in isolation and they > probably would display such files in other ways sometimes. Sometimes, Emacs is the only way (or, at least, the only way he knows) to see files that are encoded in a way that his locale doesn't support. > Since we have to make the best of things which we probably > can't get obviously right in all circumstances, I want to > understand the context and I don't mean to argue with what > you think is appropriate. Yes, I understand your intention. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org