From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Anton Zinoviev Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:56:09 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20031007115609.GA32174@lml.bas.bg> References: <200310032356.54476.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310060013.52049.pogonyshev@gmx.net> <200310070254.LAA11795@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065527575 14706 80.91.224.253 (7 Oct 2003 11:52:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@f2s.com, d.love@dl.ac.uk, pogonyshev@gmx.net Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 07 13:52:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A6qOb-0002HH-00 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:52:53 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A6qOa-000891-00 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:52:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6qNZ-000575-Re for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:51:49 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A6qN7-0004j5-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:51:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A6qMV-0003ND-Lu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:51:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.96.224.121] (helo=lml.bas.bg) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.24) id 1A6qMP-0002uv-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from anton by lml.bas.bg with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A6qRl-00030J-00; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:56:09 +0300 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200310070254.LAA11795@etlken.m17n.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16978 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16978 On 7.X.2003 at 11:54 Kenichi Handa wrote: > > For instance, in such a case, we can allow people to create > a new lang. env. by inheriting, for instance, Russian, and > modifying coding-system to windows-1251. That is a good feature, it will be usefull say for Bulgarian as Bulgarians use two completely different keyboard layouts. The example given here however is very bad. CP1251 is not similar to the others CP???? coding systems because it is used extensively for several languages in the GNU systems. Unfortunately the name of this coding system often confuses people. This coding system is standard for Belarusian and Bulgarian languages and it is used very often also for other languages. It supports and _is_ often used for all non-Asian Cyrillic languages. The generic language environment for CP1251 should have a generic input method (rather than Russian). The TUTORIAL should not be presented in Russian as many people outside the former SU do not know Russian. The mails sent in this environment should not be encoded in koi8-r. Anton Zinoviev P.S. On 26 September I sent here a message regarding the Cyrillic support of Emacs.