From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing the no-toolkit scrollbar thumb color. (minor issue) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 03:59:34 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20031005075934.GB7828@fencepost> References: <20031005002529.GC23295@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065341221 30436 80.91.224.253 (5 Oct 2003 08:07:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, rms@gnu.org, Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 05 10:06:58 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A63us-0003Np-00 for ; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:06:58 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A63ur-0001HI-00 for ; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 10:06:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A63rA-0004bQ-1o for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A63qZ-0004KI-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:02:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1A63pq-0003ws-18 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A63pp-0003wh-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 04:01:45 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.24) id 1A63ni-00027N-Ef; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:59:34 -0400 Original-To: "Jan D." Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16941 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16941 On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 09:23:00AM +0200, Jan D. wrote: > I don't run Gnome, so I use the current customizations for GTK Emacs. > But shall we go against the direction GTK/Gnome is headed for? Or just > accept the fact that GTK/Gnome has a different agenda an adopt to it? I think it's perfectly fine to resist, and the more vocally the better. The Gnome team is perfectly free to ignore such entreaties, but they should at least be aware that people don't like the directions they're going in. We know they're stubborn and opinionated, and many people have complained about their newfound religion (`all users are the same') without much apparent success. None-the-less, I certainly don't intend to just shut up and go along quietly. >>From my point of view GTK/Gnome has the best combination of features/ practicality/widespread-adoption of any of the current toolkits, so there's definitely a reason to support it well; if the Gnome team can be badgered into actually listening to their users, then it will simply be better. -Miles -- Fast, small, soon; pick any 2.