From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changing the no-toolkit scrollbar thumb color. (minor issue) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:47:14 -0500 (CDT) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200309282347.h8SNlEi12333@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <87fzijz4th.fsf@raven.i.defaultvalue.org> <200309262123.h8QLNNi07638@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309272155.h8RLttv09524@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309281642.h8SGgxc11119@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200309281801.h8SI1gV11332@raven.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1064794290 29351 80.91.224.253 (29 Sep 2003 00:11:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 29 02:11:28 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A3ldQ-0006Fo-00 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:11:28 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A3ldQ-0008NR-00 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:11:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A3lUc-0003rz-Mv for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:02:22 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A3lUP-0003r1-UN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:02:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A3lUN-0003qY-Uz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:02:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [131.204.53.104] (helo=manatee.dms.auburn.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A3lJa-0001ny-Du for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:50:58 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) by manatee.dms.auburn.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h8SNouAJ005854; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:50:56 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h8SNlEi12333; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:47:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-reply-to: (bob@rattlesnake.com) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16746 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16746 Once we know exactly what the situation is for the Xaw3d, Lesstif/Motif and GTK scroll bars, we can rewrite the documentation string. I do not believe that there is a need for a non-standard "State" message or a mini-buffer error message. I guess the user will see that it has no effect. Then he _will_ read the documentation. The user could have legitimate reasons to customize the face, even if he is using GTK. He could be using several builds of Emacs with different scroll bar types and want to use the same .emacs for all of them. Also, he might want to set that variable to look like his de facto GTK face, anyway. Then, for instance, if he is asked to specify a face for something that looks somewhat similar to a scroll bar, he can use scroll-bar. Sincerely, Luc.