From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Invisible colons in Emacs Info. Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:42:57 -0500 (CDT) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200307062342.h66Ngvs08232@raven.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200307062243.h66MhY609551@f7.net> <200307062307.h66N7Cen013533@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1057535326 28312 80.91.224.249 (6 Jul 2003 23:48:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: karl@freefriends.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 07 01:48:40 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ZJFI-0007M8-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 01:48:40 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19ZJOt-00031E-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 01:58:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZJBX-0006gr-JD for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19ZJAr-0006YB-M6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:44:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19ZJAP-0006O6-3q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from manatee.dms.auburn.edu ([131.204.53.104]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19ZJA8-0006Cy-JA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:43:20 -0400 Original-Received: from raven.dms.auburn.edu (raven.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.29]) h66NhIeQ014303; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:43:19 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by raven.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h66Ngvs08232; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:42:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: monnier+gnu/emacs@cs.yale.edu In-reply-to: <200307062307.h66N7Cen013533@rum.cs.yale.edu> (monnier+gnu/emacs@cs.yale.edu) Original-cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@cs.yale.edu Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15440 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15440 In as far as the concrete example is concerned, I might have responded a little bit too quickly. Karl copied only part of it. Here is the full line: * Mtools:(mtools). Mtools: utilities to access DOS disks in Unix. The point of my original message of several days ago was that one can consider Mtools:(mtools). Mtools to be a valid subtopic name according to the rules we discussed, because there *is* a space after the *second* Mtools and not after the first. Because the lack of a space after the first Mtools, Mtools:(mtools). Mtools would really seem to be the actual subtopic name. If it is not, there must be some reason why it is not, other than that it just looks silly. So, in other words, the importance of putting a space after the first Mtools is really to make clear that this is where the real subtopic name ends. The reason why Karl and me would like to insist on the space after the final colon is not: "Because we tell so!", but to make clear that the final colon is really the final colon and to avoid confusion in cases like this one. Actually, let us take a look at the actual menu entry which does have the space we want: * Mtools: (mtools). Mtools: utilities to access DOS disks in Unix. I do not know whether you have this entry and hence can check the following: Put the cursor on that line and do `m'. Look at the echo area: Menu item (default Mtools: (mtools). Mtools): Even in this case `m' still seems to consider Mtools: (mtools). Mtools as the subtopic name, as least in as far as the echo area message is concerned. This definitely seems to make no sense, given the presence of the required space. Pressing RETURN does visit `Mtools' however. Sincerely, Luc.