From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Markus Rost Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs 21.3.50 : Problem in (point-min) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306252001.h5PK1F0Z024543@hampton.math.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=shift_jis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1056583161 23642 80.91.224.249 (25 Jun 2003 23:19:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 26 01:19:19 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19VJXr-000691-00 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:19:19 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19VJc6-0002v5-00 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2003 01:23:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19VJX8-0007k6-Si for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:18:34 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19VGso-0000dn-88 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:28:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19VGVn-00037F-IR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:05:00 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.math.ohio-state.edu ([140.254.92.31]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19VGSG-0002E2-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:01:20 -0400 Original-Received: from hampton.math.ohio-state.edu (hampton.math.ohio-state.edu [140.254.93.46])h5PK1GGx027075; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from hampton.math.ohio-state.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5PK1GSi024546; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: (from rost@localhost)h5PK1F0Z024543; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 16:01:15 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: Benjamin.Riefenstahl@epost.de X-Mailer: GNU Emacs 21.3 Emacs-W3/4.0pre.46 X-Home-Page: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~rost X-Url-From: http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2003-06/index.html In-Reply-To: m3u1agda12.fsf@seneca.benny.turtle-trading.net X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (hermes) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hermes.math.ohio-state.edu id h5PK1GGx027075 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15256 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15256 In think it is just a display issue. Characters are just integers in ELisp. So for integers below 256, C-x C-e (eval-last-sexp) shows you the character value, in case that is what you really wanted to know. Try C-x C-e on the expression ?a (place the cursor on the trailing space), to see what I mean. It happens for me also for other numbers. I find it somewhat irritating to see in the minibuffer once in a while various characters from various international character sets. It doesn't hurt much, but it doesn't look clean. Buffer position 97 has nothing to do with character "a", so why showing "?a" in the minibuffer? Here are some examples with the corresponding messages in the minibuffer. (goto-char 27643) 27643 =3D ?=9C=9B (goto-char 27647) 27647 =3D ?=9C=9F (goto-char 27649) 27649 By the way, when saving this mail, I was offered the following coding system, apparently because of ?=9C=9B. Coding system for saving this buffer: S -- shift_jis-unix (alias of japanese-shift-jis-unix)