From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info-scroll-prefer-subnodes default in Emacs. Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:43:48 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306251343.h5PDhm805324@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1056548829 7509 80.91.224.249 (25 Jun 2003 13:47:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 25 15:47:06 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19VAbN-0001sS-00 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:46:21 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19VAfQ-0005lX-00 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:50:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19VAai-0003oY-0m for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:45:40 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19VAa0-0003VD-Mq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:44:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19VAZ2-0002wR-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:43:57 -0400 Original-Received: from consort.superb.net ([209.61.216.22] helo=f7.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19VAYv-0002sO-2P; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:43:49 -0400 Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by f7.net (8.11.7/8.11.7) id h5PDhm805324; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:43:48 -0400 Original-To: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:15239 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:15239 One way is to have two kinds of menus, one that represents the document's structure and one that doesn't. The index could say `* Index:' instead of `* Menu:'. It would work the same in m but differently in SPC. Karl, what do you think? That sounds like a very clean idea to me, except ... that new info files then won't be compatible with old Info readers. We've gone to great lengths to avoid such incompatibilities in the past. My idea along these lines was not as elegant, but it retains compatibility: have makeinfo output a magic cookie (say ^H^[index^H^], for the sake of argument, similar to the new cookie we use for images) at the beginning of an index. New info readers will recognize that, not display it, and do the right thing. Old info readers will display it, which is ugly but not fatal -- the index entries would still work. Another way is to do the index using xrefs instead of menus. Seems more verbose.