From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Fwd: [arch-users] Re: Gud lord!] Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:20:25 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030609152025.GA28948@gnu.org> References: <20030609102110.2C80.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> <1055169445.1387.14.camel@lan1> <20030609165127.2C8F.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055173169 31358 80.91.224.249 (9 Jun 2003 15:39:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 09 17:39:27 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19POk3-00089c-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:39:27 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19PP47-0007j1-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 18:00:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19POjE-00055u-1Q for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:38:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19POfT-0004Rn-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:34:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19POYf-0002Wc-3W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:27:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19PORg-00010O-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:20:28 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19PORd-0007uX-PT; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 11:20:25 -0400 Original-To: Juanma Barranquero Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030609165127.2C8F.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Original-cc: Robert Anderson X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14959 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14959 On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 05:00:16PM +0200, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > > It's not optimal, and neither is working in an non source controlled > > environment for developing substantial contributions. > > No, it's not optimal, and certainly I don't remember having said it was. > But even now there are people who does big contributions (I mean, not > tiny patches of 5-10 lines, but changes of hundreds or thousands of > lines) and who do not have write access nor (seem to) want it. Indeed; I do a lot of development for projects where I don't have write access (e.g., the linux kernel), and life is quite fine with a few shell scripts to help me out. Actually the thing which I find makes the most difference is having at least read-only CVS access -- that's enough to make it easy for me to keep things in sync and make patches; write access, by comparison is rather a minor convenience. [The time when I most appreciate having write access, actually, is when I want to make a little random tweak (e.g. fix a typo), and don't have to bother someone to check it in.] I think for me, improvements in the standard patch-format to support things like file renames would be at least important as a better revision control system. [Maybe arch actually addresses this, since I gather it tries to use a very tool-oriented approach...] -Miles -- We live, as we dream -- alone....