From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gud lord! Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:19:49 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200306080019.h580JnmK014914@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <16098.1698.415992.223606@nick.uklinux.net> <1055004206.1439.12.camel@lan1> <20030607210527.GA20914@gnu.org> <200306072235.h57MZcUn014593@rum.cs.yale.edu> <1055030465.30724.87.camel@lan1> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055031494 14614 80.91.224.249 (8 Jun 2003 00:18:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 08 02:18:12 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Onsy-0003nY-00 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:18:12 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19OoCF-0004St-00 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 02:38:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OnvA-0008M3-Aa for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:20:28 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Onul-0008EZ-2L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Onuh-00085j-FA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:20:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OnuY-0007nf-Mo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:19:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h580Jn0i014916; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h580JnmK014914; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:19:49 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Robert Anderson Original-cc: emacs X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14894 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14894 > > Don't get me wrong, I think arch is really cool. But I think before > > trying to get us to switch to arch, you should help us write vc-arch.el. > > I've recently cooked up vc-mcvs.el and vc-svn.el in a pretty short > > amount of time. I haven't had the time to do it for vc-arch.el, but > > it should be pretty easy if you follow the same pattern: take vc-cvs.el > > (or vc-svn.el), do s/cvs/arch/ on the file to start with and then > > fix things. I'd be happy to help, of course. > > I think you (I) might find that an interface designed for cvs is not > going to work well with arch, It works with Subversion which is not file oriented either. And having looked at the Arch doc a bit, I know that it won't take much work to get vc-arch.el working. All you need really is to tell Emacs how to get the state of a file, how to diff/log/move/delete/update/commit a file and a few other such things. If you can't do one of those things on a single file, then burp at the user. > because arch's interace is significantly > different than CVS's. arch is not a CVS work-alike with a couple > extras. It is fundamentally different. For example, it is not file > oriented, it is "source tree" oriented. etc. Which is why I'd want a replacement for PCL-CVS rather than just vc-arch.el, but vc-arch.el would be a first step. > In any case, I think an emacs mode is a very minor point wrt the value > of adoption. Depends on your habits. I do all my CVS operations from Emacs. I can't think of working without a PCL-CVS-like view of my workspace. Stefan