From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Divergence in menu appearance between Emacs Info and standalone Info Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 10:26:45 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030604142645.GA20318@gnu.org> References: <200306041404.h54E4SO30552@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054738397 11936 80.91.224.249 (4 Jun 2003 14:53:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 14:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 04 16:53:13 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19NZd7-000345-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:52:45 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19NZuj-0004Bd-00 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:10:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NZcU-0007XQ-3f for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:52:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NZbk-0007DA-O5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:51:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19NZTX-0004UX-3D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:42:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19NZE4-0000Pk-S0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19NZDx-0005Zh-A9; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 10:26:45 -0400 Original-To: Karl Berry Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306041404.h54E4SO30552@f7.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: bob@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14687 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14687 On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 10:04:28AM -0400, Karl Berry wrote: > I gather the default is to hide the node names. Because of the problems > above, I suggest making the default to show them, i.e., the traditional > behavior. I'm absolutely against this. The info text is _far_ more readable with the various info verbiage (both menu entries and footnotes) hidden, and the current problems, annoying as they are, are quite secondary to the main goal of making readable manuals. I think there are inevitably going to be differences between emacs and other info readers, so we may as well suck up and admit it, and provide separate manuals (perhaps through conditional compilation). -Miles -- Fast, small, soon; pick any 2.