From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:30 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200305312027.h4VKRUV0000784@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org> <3ED70531.4020504@math.ku.dk> <200305301310.h4UDAooo021860@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054412823 16561 80.91.224.249 (31 May 2003 20:27:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat May 31 22:27:01 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19MCwP-0004Ii-00 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 22:27:01 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19MDCC-0007RL-00 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 22:43:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MCxI-0002zk-4i for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:56 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MCwx-0002ud-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19MCwv-0002qv-M2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:34 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19MCwt-0002ku-Hl; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4VKRU0i000786; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4VKRUV0000784; Sat, 31 May 2003 16:27:30 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Richard Stallman X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by rum.cs.yale.edu id h4VKRU0i000786 Original-cc: larsh@math.ku.dk Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14528 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14528 > Good point. We could change those messages to take key-translation= -map > into account, but it would probably be wrong (because of other uses= of > key-translation-map where it shouldn't happen). >=20 > Could you describe the two scenarios more precisely? > In which case should the messages be changed? > What is the case you are concerned about not changing them? I don't really know. Especially because I don't know when key-translatio= n-map is supposed to be used (it seems that it tends to be used more or less interchangeably with function-key-map for very low-level things). Let's say you bind `foo' to [?=E9]. Should (where-is 'foo) tell you that it's on C-x 8 ' e ? > So we'd need to add a new key-remapping layer, after key-translatio= n-map > and before the actual key-lookup. >=20 > Please don't do this. Don't worry: I have no intention to spend any time on this. I have plenty of other silly things to do, Stefan