From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for determining what users use Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:57:25 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200305301657.h4UGvPmT023033@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <0ECC92DB-92BE-11D7-90E9-00039363E640@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054314113 4541 80.91.224.249 (30 May 2003 17:01:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 19:01:49 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19LnEz-00017O-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 19:00:29 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LnUE-0007s1-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 19:16:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LnGw-000257-0V for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:02:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LnGa-00023K-Uj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:02:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LnGZ-00021F-GU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 13:02:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LnC3-00012w-LQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:57:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4UGvP0i023035; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:57:25 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4UGvPmT023033; Fri, 30 May 2003 12:57:25 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: "Jan D." X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14495 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14495 > > Are you saying that consciously installed sendmail and set up > > its config so that it does the wrong thing ? > > Just install any Linux distribution with some standard choice of > packages, it will be included. There is not much point in wading > through tons of install menus just to remove sendmail. So *you* indeed didn't do it. It's simply the default. You're not responsible for it. > > The default install of sendmail should not do what you describe, > > because of its obvious tendency to behave as a blackhole. > > It does on all Linux and FreeBSD installations I've made. I know and it sucks and we should all complain loudly so they fix it. It should either work or fail, but no blackhole, please! Stefan