From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for determining what users use Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:29:50 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200305301329.h4UDToq9021933@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <5786D156-9270-11D7-A0EF-00039363E640@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054301781 8165 80.91.224.249 (30 May 2003 13:36:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 30 15:36:19 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Ljz3-0001nR-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:31:49 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LkED-00057B-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:47:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Lk02-0007bg-P8 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:32:50 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Ljz9-0007HZ-Nz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:31:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Ljz2-0007Av-Nz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:31:49 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Ljx8-0006gJ-HK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4UDTo0i021935; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4UDToq9021933; Fri, 30 May 2003 09:29:50 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: "Jan D." X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14487 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14487 > Many machines can't send mail, but mail applications running on those > machines can. For many mail applications you specify incoming > (pop3/imap) > server and outgoing SMTP server. Emacs can not know about these unless > told. Actually, I feel like there should be a way to get Emacs to use a more useful default by detecting those situations and using the mail application's config. I know that EMacro tries to do such things (typically things like trying to parse .netscape/prefs.js) and while most of it is rather ad-hoc&ugly I suspect that there's a way to "do it right" using the registry (on W32) or things like that. > I have machines where I can read and send mail with mail applications, > but not with Emacs. Any mail Emacs would try to send would go to > /var/spool/mqueue and stay there forever. These are very badly configured machines. Complain to whoever is responsible for such a brain dead behavior. A missing sendmail or a sendmail that returns a particular error could be a useful hint to convince Emacs to automatically try the smtpmail package. Stefan