From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Will default key bindings spell the death of Emacs? Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:47:28 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030529214728.GA24984@gnu.org> References: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054245146 7090 80.91.224.249 (29 May 2003 21:52:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu May 29 23:52:23 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19LVIu-0001nh-00 for ; Thu, 29 May 2003 23:51:20 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19LVXk-0002cS-00 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 00:06:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LVJ1-0004wC-IE for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 17:51:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LVG5-0003vX-RA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 17:48:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19LVFf-00036Z-2b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 17:48:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LVFA-0001oe-Cs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2003 17:47:28 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.20) id 19LVFA-0007Vl-6M; Thu, 29 May 2003 17:47:28 -0400 Original-To: Lars Hansen Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ED67422.7060305@math.ku.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14430 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14430 On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:57:06PM +0200, Lars Hansen wrote: > Yes, it is a large task to implement a possibility to completely change > keymappings of Emacs, but never the less, IMHO it is the right thing to do. > And it could be done in small steps if we lay out a strategy. No it's a completely silly thing to do (or even waste time arguing about). Emacs keybindings are not arbitrary, and they're a highly ingrained part of the editor and its culture. To change them in any large way, there would have to be a _very_ good reason, and you certainly haven't shown one. MSWindows keybindings are not particularly great, and in my experience, most MSWindow users don't even _use_ keybindings (or know them), beyond the C-c/C-x/C-v triumvirate and the `shift-movement' selection -- both of which cua-mode handles. -Miles -- Occam's razor split hairs so well, I bought the whole argument!