From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Cyrillic vs UTF-8 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:28:56 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200305191328.h4JDSuWf019090@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <1858-Fri25Apr2003194023+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> <200304282149.h3SLnxSU002624@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200305190040.JAA01942@etlken.m17n.org> <200305190052.h4J0qUfa017404@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200305190231.LAA02082@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1053353680 13394 80.91.224.249 (19 May 2003 14:14:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:14:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon May 19 16:14:36 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19HlOo-0003Qh-00 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:13:58 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19HlYd-0005lV-00 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 16:24:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19HlIo-0006RM-09 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:07:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19HkuM-0002dw-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 09:42:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19HksL-0002NY-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 09:40:28 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19HkhT-0000yJ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 09:29:11 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4JDSwx6019092; Mon, 19 May 2003 09:28:58 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4JDSuWf019090; Mon, 19 May 2003 09:28:56 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Kenichi Handa Original-cc: jas@extundo.com Original-cc: eliz@elta.co.il Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13998 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13998 > > Maybe it is. In my situation, I'd like utf-8 to be at the top > > of the preferences w.r.t decoding because it virtually never > > guesses wrong. > > OTOH, I'm still using a mostly-latin-1 environment, so I'd > > still rather avoid utf-8 when I can. I.e. latin-1 should be at > > the top of my preferences w.r.t encoding. > > In that case, I think the source of the problem is that the > command prefer-coding-system doesn't satisfy this request of > yours: > Prefer utf-8 only in automatic detection on reading a > file, not for the other situations. > > (defun prefer-coding-system (coding-system) > "Add CODING-SYSTEM at the front of the priority list for automatic detection. > This also sets the following coding systems: > o coding system of a newly created buffer > o default coding system for subprocess I/O > This also sets the following values: > o default value used as `file-name-coding-system' for converting file names. > o default value for the command `set-terminal-coding-system' (not on MSDOS) > o default value for the command `set-keyboard-coding-system' > > How about changing it to skip "This also ..." parts if > called with a prefix argument? > > Then, on writing, if buffer-file-coding-system is not > locally bound, default-buffer-file-coding-system is tried > automatically. > > And, for the case that buffer-file-coding-system is locally > bound differently from default-buffer-file-coding-system, > but it can'd encode the current buffer, we can change > select-safe-coding-system to try > default-buffer-file-coding-system before trying the most > preferred coding system. > > That way, I think we can satisfy your request completely. That seems like a cheap way to get what I want indeed. Stefan