From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Various simple.el patches Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:48:39 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030514144839.GA6241@gnu.org> References: <200305132031.h4DKVp58013718@rum.cs.yale.edu> <84llx9hhwp.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <20030514124245.GA24487@gnu.org> <843cjhtytp.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052925855 3870 80.91.224.249 (14 May 2003 15:24:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed May 14 17:24:13 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Fy3M-0000e3-00 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 17:20:24 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19FyAn-0002oo-00 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 17:28:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FxoV-0004R6-08 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FxhX-0001Nv-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FxcY-0008FP-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:52:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FxYe-0007NG-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:48:40 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 19FxYd-0001iH-00; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:48:39 -0400 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <843cjhtytp.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13861 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13861 On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 03:58:10PM +0200, Kai Gro?johann wrote: > > Actually I think the ^K hack is quite disgusting... > > Do you dislike the function or its implementation? The function. The idea that `oh, in _this_ situation, it works _backwards_,' not because it actually makes much sense, but (apparently) simply because that particular case is otherwise a no-op seems like a quick trip to a totally confusing user interface. If the conventional two-key idiom is really so inconvenient, why not bind another key to it (personally I have C-u do that in the minibuffer, but I can see why most people wouldn't like this)? -Miles -- `The suburb is an obsolete and contradictory form of human settlement'