From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stefan Monnier" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Cyrillic vs UTF-8 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:49:59 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200304282149.h3SLnxSU002624@rum.cs.yale.edu> References: <1858-Fri25Apr2003194023+0300-eliz@elta.co.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1051566799 25255 80.91.224.249 (28 Apr 2003 21:53:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 23:53:07 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19AGYc-0006YH-00 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 23:53:06 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19AGgy-0000dY-00 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:01:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AGX7-0004Vq-04 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:51:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AGWl-0004EQ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:51:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AGWj-0004DJ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu ([128.36.229.169]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19AGVt-0003sW-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:50:17 -0400 Original-Received: from rum.cs.yale.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3SLo0x6002628; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:50:00 -0400 Original-Received: (from monnier@localhost) by rum.cs.yale.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3SLnxSU002624; Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:49:59 -0400 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 Original-To: Simon Josefsson Original-cc: Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13519 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13519 > Can't we move binary down below UTF-8 in CVS? IMHO we should move > UTF-8 earlier still, since determining whether data is UTF-8 or not > can be done with good probability. Prefering binary over UTF-8 seems Agreed, but I think one of the problems is that the preference-ordering is the same for load-time-detection as it is for save-time-detection, so if you move utf-8 up for detection you end up saving all new files in utf-8 which is not OK in non-utf-8 locales. I suggested introducing a second preference-order, but nothing came out of it (probably because I didn't code anything up). Stefan