From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200304111226.h3BCQbe03108@eel.dms.auburn.edu> References: <200304101830.h3AIU6bN017920@stubby.bodenonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1050064497 30657 80.91.224.249 (11 Apr 2003 12:34:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 12:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 11 14:34:55 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 193xk7-0007yE-00 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:34:55 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 193xpZ-00049K-00 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:40:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 193xjC-0006H8-09 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:33:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 193xij-00069o-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:33:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 193xep-0004gS-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:29:29 -0400 Original-Received: from manatee.dms.auburn.edu ([131.204.53.104]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 193xc9-00030g-00; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:26:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eel.dms.auburn.edu (eel.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.108]) h3BCQboc016690; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by eel.dms.auburn.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id h3BCQbe03108; Fri, 11 Apr 2003 07:26:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eel.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 11 Apr 2003 04:51:02 -0400) Original-cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Original-cc: otaylor@redhat.com Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13150 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13150 Richard Stallman wrote (in response to Jan D.): How is different from the native scrollbar? When I drag the thumb with mouse-2 in the native scrollbar to the end, I don't see any text, it has been overscrolled out of view. That sounds like exactly the alternative I am criticizing. If with the native scrollbar, you scroll till the thumb hits the bottom for the first time, you see the last screenfull of real text. If you keep scrolling till the thumb has minimal size, then the last line you can put point on is at the top. If the buffer ends in a newline, that means that there is no text on the screen. Clearly, if you allow overscrolling to put the last line point can be on at the top, then, by *definition*, if you scroll as far as you can scroll, that is where you are going to end up. Sincerely, Luc.