From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs support for Indic scripts -- First National Indic-Font Workshop March 2003 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:43:09 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200304082343.IAA15313@etlken.m17n.org> References: <87brzgeovv.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049845978 22245 80.91.224.249 (8 Apr 2003 23:52:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 09 01:52:55 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1932tb-0005mb-00 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:52:55 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1932xo-0003Vr-00 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:57:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932ru-0007wT-07 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:51:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932lI-0003On-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:44:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932kw-0002mR-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:44:03 -0400 Original-Received: from tsukuba.m17n.org ([192.47.44.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932kB-0002Du-00; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2])h38Nh9o00856; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:43:09 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) h38Nh9A26170; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:43:09 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id IAA15313; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:43:09 +0900 (JST) Original-To: alex@gnu.org In-reply-to: <87brzgeovv.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Alex Schroeder on Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:05:24 +0200) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.2.92 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Original-cc: emacs-indian@m17n.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13051 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13051 In article <87brzgeovv.fsf@gnu.org>, Alex Schroeder writes: > I've recently joined a mailing list with lots of people from South > Asia on it. What is the general direction of Emacs support for these > South Asian languages when it comes to fonts and and input methods? > If I hear something interesting that might be of interest to Emacs, do > I post it here? Is there some other, specific Emacs (Mule?) mailing > list? We have the mailing list emacs-indian@m17n.org which is specific to Indian scripts/languages. To subscribe to the list, please send a mail to emacs-indian-ctl@m17n.org with the following line in the body. subscribe YOUR_NAME --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org > Alex. > To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com > From: Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya > Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:31:32 +0530 > Subject: [bytesforall_readers] Action points First National Indic-Font Workshop March 2003 > Reply-To: bytesforall_readers@yahoogroups.com > Hi Bytesforall Readers, > Recently First National Indic-Font workshop, was held in Bangalore on > Indic font issues. The actions points of the workshop are shared here > with the group. People/organisations who are interested to voluntarily > join Regional Language Groups being formed and contribute towards > development of Indic-Computing are welcome. Please see below various > groups as of now. > regards > vijay > Action points First National Indic-Font Workshop March 2003 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Vijay Pratap Singh Aditya > First National Indic-Font workshop, organized by Indic-Computing > Consortium was held from 28th to 30th March 2003 at PES Institute of > Technology, Bangalore. The Indic-Computing Consortium is an initiative > of software developers, businesses and academic institutions to evolve > appropriate standards, resources and technologies for the > Indic-Computing community. The Indic-Computing Consortium is designed as > a national-level participatory organisation that serves as a common > forum for discussion, information exchange and advocacy on behalf of all > parties interested in the development of Indic Language Computing. > The workshop second in series was attended by 36 participants from > various languages & technology groups across India, Nepal & Bangladesh. > This workshop was an outcome of deliberation held in the first > Indic-Computing workshop held in September 2002 at Bangalore. One of the > working groups formed at the first Indic-Computing workshop was for > development of OTF (OpenType Fonts) & other font related issues, > encoding, language standardization and representation in international > consortium. One of the action point and agenda for the group was to > Hold OTF training workshop for developing major Indic language OTF > fonts. > The idea was to get the community together for: > i. Developing good look fonts > ii. Development of open source tools for rendering and hinting of OTF > fonts (currently OTF development uses proprietary tools) > iii. Finding font developers for all Indian languages and coordinating > group for each language > iv. Making available fonts to be converted to OTF > The workshop addressed above issues and others as enclosed in the > workshop program (please see the website), through presentations, > discussions & Lab/training sessions over three days. This was the first > workshop on the subject, while it focused on OTF, it equally shared > concerns of open standards community and talks, demos and training > sessions of open source tools, as well as various alternative > technologies for Indic fonts were done by some of the participants. The > copyright/patent issue on OTF was also discussed, and concerns of > community were answered by Mr. Lawrence Liang, (Expert on Cyber Laws) > with a caution that the topic is debatable and much would be clear after > the pending case of Adobe in USA courts is decided. > Summary of Three days: > The three days of deliberations included: > 1) Introduction to Indic scripts, Character set, tools & Glyph Design, > Testing glyphs, was given Ravi Pande, Font Designer, who dealt in depth > on design of glyphs and generating of fonts & on font formats. > 2) Encoding & PfaEdit sessions were taken by Karunakar G, Project Leader > IndLinux.org, Pramod R of Mahiti & Asmita S. Khobragade of HBCSE. > Karunakar further elaborated on why OTF hold the answer to some of the > problems of developers as of now. > 3) Dr. U B Pavanaja of Vishva Kannada Softech, discussed the OTF issues > and described the standards, Open Type Tables and VOLT. The use of VOLT > to develop OTF was demonstrated; during Lab participants used VOLT to > get a hands on experience of the tool. > 4) Arun M of FSF, demonstrated localized Knoppix in Malayalam and also > discussed on the issues in Malayalam fonts and display of some special > characters. > 5) Amar Gurung, Director, Nepali Font Standardization Project of Madan > Puraskar Pustakalaya [MPP], Kathmandu, Nepal, shared the problems in > standardizing Nepali Font the developments done this far. He shared a CD > on the project status and the work done (The CD content is now part of > workshop CD distributed to the participants) > 6) Mustafa Jabbar, of Ananda Computers, Dhaka, Bangladesh shared his > work of 15 years in Bangla (Bengali) fonts. He claimed that a low cost > software application Bijoy which his company has developed has covered > 95% of market in Bangladesh and is much famous in West Bengal, India > also. He has also designed the Bangla keyboard that is now a default > keyboard standard for Bangla. > 7) Karunakar took sessions on TTX & talked about issues in fonts on > Linux while Dr. Pavanaja showed digital signing of fonts. Aditya Gokhale > of CDAC, took session on hinting of fonts. > 8) Nagarjuna G of HBCSE, shared his experience of converting TTF fonts > offered by Akruti to OTF and shared his experiments in using available > open source tools to achieve good results. > 9) IPR (cyber laws) lawyer Lawrence Liang of Alternate Law Forum, > discussed the crucial and much debated issue of OTF openness > (copyright/Patent) after understanding the Adobe & Microsoft agreement > on release of the fonts. While answering concerns of community Lawrence > cautioned that the topic is debatable and much would be clear after the > pending case of Adobe in USA courts is decided. > Conclusion: > At the end of the workshop its was proposed to take up the issues that > have emerged at more depth through regional consultations on each > language so that focused attention is their and local & regional groups > also get chance to participate and discuss there issues. We propose to > take up these Regional Language Workshops in future across different > parts of India, Nepal & Bangladesh and other regions with languages of > Indic origin. These workshops would be coordinated by regional language > groups (see proposed group) and would include training programs and > technology demonstration sessions besides getting the language community > together. > Regional Language Working Groups: > It was proposed to take up the initiative for having these regional > workshops through voluntary and community efforts. An individual > commitment on part of participants was requested to involve there energy > in development of these regional groups and also to discuss with these > respective organization to release atleast two fonts in each language in > open domain. Many participants gave the commitment to take the > initiative and also to get their organization involved in the > initiative. The following Regional Working Groups are proposed (to be > confirmed), these groups would take initiative and involve other > regional partners and build common understanding of major issues to be > discussed in the Regional Workshops. A framework for proposed Regional > Workshop would be circulated soon for feedback and action by these > groups. We invite volunteers who would take upon to hold these workshops > and provide coordination & logistics support and sponsors to contribute > to development of regional languages. The Indic-Computing Consortium > would provide necessary technical support and capacity building to these > regional groups. > Hindi > Ravi Kant, Sarai, New Delhi, > Maryivan, Sarai, New Delhi > Niyam Bhusan, New Delhi > Alok Kumar, Infosys, Bangalore, Karnataka > S K Anand, Akruti (Cyberscape Multimedia), > Osama Mazar, 4Cplus, New Delhi, > Sanjay Gupta, 4Cplus, New Delhi, > Kannada > Dr. U B Pavanaja, Vishva Kannada Softech, Bangalore > > PES Institute of Technology, Bangalore, Karnataka > Central Institute of Indian Languages, Mysore > C.V. Srinatha Sastry, KGP, Bangalore, > Arun Sharma > Bhupesh Koli, BharateeyaOO.o Team, NCST (National Centre for Software > Technology), Bangalore, > Shikha G Pillai, BharateeyaOO.o Team, NCST (National Centre for Software > Technology), Bangalore, > Abhas Abhinav, DeepRoot Linux, Bangalore, > Sunil Abraham, Mahiti, Bangalore, > Pramod R, Mahiti, Bangalore, > Punjabi > Niyam Bhusan, New Delhi > Janmeja Johl, Ludhiana, Punjab > Osama Mazar, 4Cplus, New Delhi, > Sanjay Gupta, 4Cplus, New Delhi, > Urdu, Sindhi, Kashmiri & Persian > Pritam Nahar, Reality Information Systems, Pune, Maharastra > > Dr. Tarique Sani ?? > Pakistan  LUG, GLUG ?? > Mahesh Kulkarni, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra > Aditya Gokhale, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra > Santosh R, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra > Ravi Nankarji, CDAC, Pune, Maharastra > Bengali/Bangala, Assamese & Manipuri > Mustafa Jabbar, Ananda Computers, Dhaka, Bangladesh > Sayamindu Dasgupta, LUG, Kolkatta, > Zaheed Hossain, Ananda Computers, Kolkatta, > Ravi Kant, Sarai, New Delhi, > Bangladesh group of Tani Ahmed, ?? > Marathi & Konkani > Nagarjuna G, Homi Bhaba Center for Science & Education, Mumbai > > Sunil J. Shetty, Modular Infotech, Pune, > Mohan Jadav, Modular Infotech, Pune, > Prakash Advani, Netcore, Mumbai, > G. Karunakar, Netcore, Mumbai, > Ravi Pande, Pune, > Asmita S. Khobragade, Homi Bhaba Center for Science & Education, Mumbai > > Frederick Noronha, Bytesforall, Goa > Kanti Jadia, Micropro Software Solutions, Pune > Tamil > K. Viveka Nathan, TeNet, IIT Madras, Chennai > R. Murugapandian, Sudharsanam Centre for Arts & Culture, Pudukkottai, > Tamil Nadu > Manoj R Annadurai, Chennai Kavigal, > Dr. V. Venkataramanan, ?? > International Forum for Information Technology in Tamil, > http://www.infitt.org/ > Telugu > Kiran Chandra, Jana Vignana Vedika, (Prajashakti Daily), Hyderabad, > > Atul Negi, University of Hyderabad, Hyderabad > Rajasekharan, NISC India, Hyderabad, > Gujarati > R. K. Dave, G.A.D, Government of Gujarat, Gandhi Nagar, > > Bhavin Choksi, CRAnTI Technologies, Ahmedabad > Ramesh Patel, SRISTI, Ahmedabad > Malayalam > Rajkumar S, FSF, Trivendram, > Arun M, FSF, Trivendram, > Osama Mazar, 4Cplus, New Delhi, > Sanjay Gupta, 4Cplus, New Delhi, > Nepali > Amar Gurung, Nepali Font Standardization Project, Madan Puraskar > Pustakalaya [MPP], Kathmandu, Nepal, > Pawan Chitrakar, Kathmandu, Nepal, > Oriya > Sashikant, NIIT, Sambhalpur, Orissa, > Sanskrit > Alok Kumar, Infosys, Bangalore, Karnataka > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-devel mailing list > Emacs-devel@gnu.org > http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel