From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 19:36:27 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030408233627.GA8965@gnu.org> References: <1049134327.3326.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <84of3p2m44.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <200304021352.h32DqLO11793@eel.dms.auburn.edu> <1049729721.4045.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1049813819.27194.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049845341 18555 80.91.224.249 (8 Apr 2003 23:42:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 09 01:42:19 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1932jL-0004p2-00 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:42:19 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1932nY-0003QO-00 for ; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 01:46:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932iN-0000rn-03 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:41:19 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932f7-00072T-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:37:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932eB-0006bq-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:36:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 1932dm-0006Lo-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:36:34 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 1932df-0002Zd-00; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 19:36:27 -0400 Original-To: Owen Taylor Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1049813819.27194.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu Original-cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:13050 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:13050 On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 10:56:59AM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > The problem I see with a minimum size is that the technique of > shrinking the thumb to represent overscrolling won't work if the > scrollbar thumb is already at its minimum size. Then people won't be able to overscroll using the scrollbar in that case. I don't think it matters that much, really, and it certainly isn't a reason to not use such a natural method for overscrolling in the cases where it _does_ work. If someone can think of a better method that _always works, great, but so far this is the best. [I now feel certain that the current method used in emacs/gtk for overscrolling (leaving extra empty space at the end to allow overscrolling) is wrong, because I keep being annoyed that it doesn't clearly indicate the end-of-buffer-shown condition] -Miles -- We are all lying in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. -Oscar Wilde