From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Luc Teirlinck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:18:22 -0600 (CST) Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200303272218.QAA27988@eel.dms.auburn.edu> References: <20030325193739.ZGIN3924.fep01-svc.swip.net@gaffa.gaia.swipnet.se> <1048780121.14517.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200303271630.h2RGU1bT028651@rum.cs.yale.edu> <1048799271.15136.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1048801290.15149.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048803623 31743 80.91.224.249 (27 Mar 2003 22:20:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 27 23:20:06 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18yfjB-0008F3-00 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:20:05 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18yflF-0003zb-00 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:22:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfio-0007GN-05 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:19:42 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfhS-0005j6-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:18:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfhJ-0005NP-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:18:11 -0500 Original-Received: from manatee.dms.auburn.edu ([131.204.53.104]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfgc-0004cA-00; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:17:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eel.dms.auburn.edu (eel.dms.auburn.edu [131.204.53.108]) h2RMHLB03839; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:17:21 -0600 (CST) Original-Received: (from teirllm@localhost) by eel.dms.auburn.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id QAA27988; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:18:22 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: eel.dms.auburn.edu: teirllm set sender to teirllm@dms.auburn.edu using -f Original-To: otaylor@redhat.com In-reply-to: <1048801290.15149.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> (message from Owen Taylor on 27 Mar 2003 16:41:30 -0500) Original-cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de Original-cc: jody@gnome.org Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12680 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12680 Owen Taylor wrote: By "go whacky", I didn't mean the problem with dragging off the end, but simply that a character-based scrollbar is going to inherently act in a confusing matter, especially in the presence of invisible text. I tend to suspect that whether the emacs scrollbar is character based does _not_ depend on whether you are using toolkit scrollbars, though I'm not about to recompile it to find out :-) In the presence of tons of invisible text, the native scrollbar seems to behave like I would expect it to behave. That may only be because I have strange expectations, but anyway. Sincerely, Luc.