From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customize Rogue Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:45:32 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030306164300.633F.LEKTU@terra.es> References: <20030306101038.6330.LEKTU@terra.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1046965678 32459 80.91.224.249 (6 Mar 2003 15:47:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 06 16:47:57 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18qxal-0008Ox-00 for ; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:47:31 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18qxv8-00045Z-00 for ; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:08:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18qxaA-00081C-02 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:46:54 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18qxZr-0007lC-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:46:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18qxZi-0007Hk-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:46:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [62.22.27.141] (helo=mail.peoplecall.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18qxZh-0007BU-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2003 10:46:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [62.22.27.143] (jbarranquero.ofi.peoplecall.com [62.22.27.143]) by mail.peoplecall.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h26FjVt01517; Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:45:32 +0100 Original-To: Per Abrahamsen In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12128 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12128 On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:15:07 +0100, Per Abrahamsen wrote: > I don't think you should do so either, but some people want to do so > for whatever reason, and the command is useful for them. Yes, sure. I reacted to the word "transition"**, but of course I'm not opposing customize-rogue in any way. **And the reason I reacted is that I hate finding those variables whose docstrings say "Don't set this directly, use customize". > What do you hope to accomplish by tricking customize? Two things: 1.- Not getting the "modified outside of customize" messages that I get the odd time I use it. If the value is right, I don't see the point of knowing i.e. if I set custom-file to ".emacs.custom" via setq or through M-x customize-variable; the message makes me wonder if anything's wrong... 2.- Using the customized initialization/setting/getting/whatever code for those variables that have special needs. I'd like to do (custom-setq variable value) ; or whatever and get customize to check the value against the type spec, etc. /L/e/k/t/u