From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ehud Karni" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display table for eight-bit-graphic Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:24:33 +0200 Organization: Mivtach-Simon Insurance agencies Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <200301252224.h0PMOXBR001501@beta.mvs.co.il> References: <84of65cz3l.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> Reply-To: ehud@unix.mvs.co.il NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043533480 12569 80.91.224.249 (25 Jan 2003 22:24:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18cYj9-0003GW-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:24:39 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18cYmZ-0006BM-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:28:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cYk6-0005vA-04 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cYjS-0005DB-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:24:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cYjC-0004VF-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:24:44 -0500 Original-Received: from unix.simonwiesel.co.il ([192.114.178.12] helo=unix.mvs.co.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cYjB-0004Nv-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:24:41 -0500 Original-Received: from beta.mvs.co.il (beta [10.253.0.3]) by unix.mvs.co.il (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0PMOYh17433; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:24:34 +0200 Original-Received: from beta.mvs.co.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beta.mvs.co.il (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0PMOXed001507; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:24:33 +0200 Original-Received: (from ehud@localhost) by beta.mvs.co.il (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0PMOXBR001501; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:24:33 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: beta.mvs.co.il: ehud set sender to ehud@unix.mvs.co.il using -f Original-To: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de In-reply-to: <84of65cz3l.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> (kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de) X-Mailer: Emacs 21.2.91.3 rmail (send-msg 1.108) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:11067 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:11067 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:17:50 +0100, kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai =3D?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=3DDFjohann?=3D) wrote: > > I thought it was discussed and it was agreed to display them as > graphic? But I agree that it is misleading. > > I think the idea was that people who use eight-bit locales expect > things to be displayed using that charset -- so if a random byte > comes along, and it happens to match the code for =81=E4 in that locale, > then display that byte as =81=E4. Regardless of whether the random byte > is really known to be in iso-8859-1 encoding. So Emacs would match > the behavior of /bin/cat in this respect. I agree. For persons in the ISO-8859-x languages, the 8 bit graphics is much better than the octal representation. It's like the emails in quoted-printable are better than base64 - You can read the former as text even if some characters are non-readable, the latter must be decoded (correctly!) before it can be read. Ehud. - -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /=22\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ mailto:ehud@unix.mvs.co.il Better Safe Than Sorry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: use http://www.keyserver.net/ to get my key (and others) iD8DBQE+Mw6hLFvTvpjqOY0RAl08AKCC2sNxgI0JuRP9PtT6lm5Qta7IaQCdGUaC flQw3yrqD5sqxM7ktrVgnjg=3D =3DeRWT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----