From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.psgml.devel Subject: Re: [Psgml-devel] Re: Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:06:05 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <20030112040605.GA26128@gnu.org> References: <3DFE4E98.1080204@silmaril.ie> <3DFFC29E.4060100@silmaril.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1042350986 7402 80.91.224.249 (12 Jan 2003 05:56:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 05:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18Xb6c-0001v9-00 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:56:22 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18XbDT-0007Ag-00 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 07:03:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18Xb78-0000eq-0C for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:56:54 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XZO1-0002i8-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:06:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XZO0-0002hl-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18XZO0-0002hf-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:06:12 -0500 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 18XZNt-0006uJ-00; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:06:05 -0500 Original-To: Peter Flynn Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DFFC29E.4060100@silmaril.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:56:22 -0500 Original-cc: Stefan Monnier Original-cc: keichwa@gmx.net Original-cc: no-spam@cua.dk Original-cc: lenst@lysator.liu.se Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: psgml-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Original-cc: kevinr@ihs.com Original-cc: mvidner@suse.cz Original-cc: Pavel@Janik.cz X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:10681 gmane.emacs.psgml.devel:95 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:10681 On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 12:34:38AM +0000, Peter Flynn wrote: > There is no point in even attempting to edit SGML without a DTD, Of course there's a point. It may not be as nice as when you know the real semantics (the results may be woefully wrong, if the grammar has lots of implicit end tags or something), but it's still useful. > as a DTD is *required* by ISO 8859 for all processing. It doesn't matter what the `standard requires,' it matters what users find convenient. Think `graceful degradation' -- do the best you can, instead of pedantically clinging to standards. > It's really irrelevant for SGML. Only XML will work without a DTD. So when you can't get the SGML DTD, just pretend the file's XML, and you'll get `sort of reasonable' results. It's not `correct,' but it's probably still useful, and sounds pretty easy to me*... -Miles * Of course I'm speaking out my ass -- `There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.'