From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Xft support (freetype, anti-aliasing) in X11 emacs Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:08:18 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20021006010818.GA7340@gnu.org> References: <20021004.133233.42788207.wl@gnu.org> <200210060007.g9607IdC027101@stubby.bodenonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033866726 8134 127.0.0.1 (6 Oct 2002 01:12:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Werner LEMBERG , usenet@fischman.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17xzxl-000273-00 for ; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 03:12:05 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17y0k6-0003C7-00 for ; Sun, 06 Oct 2002 04:02:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17xzwn-0000tO-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:11:05 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17xzwA-0008UY-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:10:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17xzvD-0007id-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:09:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17xzu6-0006kG-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:08:18 -0400 Original-Received: from miles by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.10) id 17xzu6-0002II-00; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 21:08:18 -0400 Original-To: "Jan D." Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200210060007.g9607IdC027101@stubby.bodenonline.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Blat: Foop Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8421 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8421 On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 01:44:43AM +0200, Jan D. wrote: > To me anti aliased fonts don't look smoother, they just look out of focus. > My stupid eyes tries to focus, but to no avail, since the "out of focus" > isn't really real. I get a headache instead. Isn't it generally held that only very large and very small type sizes should be anti-aliased? I find that in both these cases, it helps quite a bit, though with large fonts I suppose it's more of an aesthetic improvement than anything else. I'd think that any decent system would allow you to set the thresholds where antialiasing kicks in... Part of the problem, of course, is when you simply don't have a good range of hand-made bitmap fonts, and have to use scalable fonts -- and scalable fonts at small sizes are often almost unreadable without anti-aliasing, and usually pretty ugly even at `normal' sizes. [also, complicated characters like those in Chinese/Japanese are often unreadable even at `normal' sizes in scalable fonts; maybe all the fonts I use have sucky hinting or something though] -Miles -- P.S. All information contained in the above letter is false, for reasons of military security.