From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Broken lisp/Makefile.w32-in Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:06:43 -0300 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <20020929225656.40F2.LEKTU@terra.es> References: <9003-Sun29Sep2002193808+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200209291953.g8TJrlb09657@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033333801 30685 127.0.0.1 (29 Sep 2002 21:10:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17vlKC-0007yW-00 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:10:00 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17vm3Y-0000y2-00 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:56:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vlKQ-0001wJ-00; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17vlIV-00011g-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:08:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17vlIS-0000tV-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:08:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [213.4.129.129] (helo=tsmtp1.mail.isp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vlIR-0000qR-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [193.152.150.87] ([193.152.150.87]) by tsmtp1.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 tsmtp1 Mar 14 2002 21:29:48) with ESMTP id H37XDL01.8L4; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:08:09 +0200 Original-To: "Stefan Monnier" In-Reply-To: <200209291953.g8TJrlb09657@rum.cs.yale.edu> X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.06 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8237 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8237 On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:53:47 -0400 "Stefan Monnier" wrote: > And I don't see anything wrong with requiring such things. > After all, we also require TeXinfo-4.2, based on the idea that people > working from the CVS can be expected to have more tools available > (and more uptodate ones) than people using distribution tarballs. Yeah, but these requirements aren't documented. Trying to bootstrap Emacs on a W95 is really painful. I know what I'm doing (or so I think), and I've never been able to build it by doing: configure --with-msvc nmake bootstrap in a Windows 95. I've needed some cygwin or mingw tools, I've done some parts of the bootstraping manually, I've had to use 4DOS instead of COMMAND.COM in some steps of the process (because COMMAND.COM just wouldn't cut it), but COMMAND.COM in others (because of incompatibilities of 4DOS.COM), move to the lisp/ directories and compile the .el files with a "for %i in (*.el)", etc... OK, as Richard says, most Windows users won't ever bootstrap Emacs. Perhaps we should abandon the fiction that bootstrapping with COMMAND.COM is supported, and just say "You're on your own" in the documentation. I don't know why am I spending time trying to make it work. -- Juanma Barranquero