From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: status of utf-8.el, etc [Re: Several serious problems] Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:22:22 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200209271322.WAA01306@etlken.m17n.org> References: <200208190748.QAA14278@etlken.m17n.org> <200208291325.WAA03596@etlken.m17n.org> <200208291732.g7THWRU11411@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200209250701.QAA10989@etlken.m17n.org> <200209251435.g8PEZKh10820@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200209252347.IAA12034@etlken.m17n.org> <200209261356.g8QDuTO15360@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033133055 25921 127.0.0.1 (27 Sep 2002 13:24:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, d.love@dl.ac.uk, rms@gnu.org, keichwa@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uv6L-0006jw-00 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:24:13 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17uvoa-0004Ay-00 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:09:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uv6Q-0006TU-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:24:18 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uv4o-0005zA-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:22:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uv4m-0005yo-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:22:38 -0400 Original-Received: from tsukuba.m17n.org ([192.47.44.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uv4g-0005yF-00; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:22:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6/3.7W-20010518204228) with ESMTP id g8RDMNF03173; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:22:23 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.3/3.7W-20010823150639) with ESMTP id g8RDMMd16885; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:22:22 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id WAA01306; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 22:22:22 +0900 (JST) Original-To: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu In-reply-to: <200209261356.g8QDuTO15360@rum.cs.yale.edu> (monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.1.30 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8194 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8194 In article <200209261356.g8QDuTO15360@rum.cs.yale.edu>, "Stefan Monnier" writes: >> In article <200209251435.g8PEZKh10820@rum.cs.yale.edu>, "Stefan Monnier" writes: >> >> (1-1) unify-8859-on-encoding-mode can't be turned off safely. >> > I still haven't heard of any reason why it should ever be turned off anyway. >> > I think we should simply get rid of this minor-mode. >> >> I tend to agree with getting rid of it. But, I have not yet >> considered that possibility deeply. If we are going to >> remove it, I think we should do that in 21.3. Introducing >> something in 21.3 and remove it in 21.4 is not a good thing. > But that would make 21.3 into much less of a "bug-fix only" release. ??? Why not adding a new mode in 21.3 makes 21.3 much less of a bug-fix only release? > I think we're wasting way too much effort on 21.3. We should get > it out the door quickly so we can concentrate on getting 21.4 ready. > Backporting features from 21.4 to 21.3 is not very constructive. Generally I agree with that we should release 21.3 as soon as possibility. But, the current codes of RC and HEAD both have bugs as I wrote previously. Some of them are related to the new features existing only in HEAD, thus don't exist in RC. But, I also noticed that when one toggles unify-8859-on-decoding-mode on and off, unify-8859-on-encoding-mode also stops working, both in RC and HEAD. At least such a bug should be fixed. This week I think I fixed all bugs related to unify-8859-on-encoding-mode. I'll try to fix bugs related to unify-8859-on-decoding-mode this weekend. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org