From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: status of utf-8.el, etc [Re: Several serious problems] Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:47:16 +0900 (JST) Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200209252347.IAA12034@etlken.m17n.org> References: <200208190748.QAA14278@etlken.m17n.org> <200208291325.WAA03596@etlken.m17n.org> <200208291732.g7THWRU11411@rum.cs.yale.edu> <200209250701.QAA10989@etlken.m17n.org> <200209251435.g8PEZKh10820@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1032997823 15402 127.0.0.1 (25 Sep 2002 23:50:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: d.love@dl.ac.uk, rms@gnu.org, monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu, keichwa@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uLv7-0003zo-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:50:17 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17uMca-0000tc-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:35:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uLv7-0005Fl-00; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:50:17 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uLt0-00056D-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17uLsy-000561-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:48:05 -0400 Original-Received: from tsukuba.m17n.org ([192.47.44.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uLsv-00055Q-00; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:48:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6/3.7W-20010518204228) with ESMTP id g8PNlHF15738; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:47:17 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.3/3.7W-20010823150639) with ESMTP id g8PNlGd05014; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:47:16 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id IAA12034; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:47:16 +0900 (JST) Original-To: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu In-reply-to: <200209251435.g8PEZKh10820@rum.cs.yale.edu> (monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.1.30 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8169 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8169 In article <200209251435.g8PEZKh10820@rum.cs.yale.edu>, "Stefan Monnier" writes: >> (1-1) unify-8859-on-encoding-mode can't be turned off safely. > I still haven't heard of any reason why it should ever be turned off anyway. > I think we should simply get rid of this minor-mode. I tend to agree with getting rid of it. But, I have not yet considered that possibility deeply. If we are going to remove it, I think we should do that in 21.3. Introducing something in 21.3 and remove it in 21.4 is not a good thing. >> (2-1) As utf-8-fragment-on-decoding and utf-8-translate-cjk are >> also applicable to utf-16, I cut off "-8" from them. > Why not use the `ucs-' prefix ? Because they directly influence UTF (UCS Transformation Format) and tightly related to UTF. On the other hand, such variables as ucs-mule-to-mule-unicode and ucs-unicode-to-mule-cjk are more neutral tables that are not tightly related to UTF, I think. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@etl.go.jp